ways of knowing its a "Red Rose"?
ways of knowing its a "Red Rose"?
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Chewitt

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1,041 posts

266 months

Sunday 10th August 2008
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i "think" my tuscan is a RR but I haven't found anything written in the engine bay (as I've read on postings)
but while gluing a bit of boot carpet today I found that someone had written red rose with a number before in on the body tub.

anyone any other indicators of red rose-ness

Ta

satman

2,455 posts

275 months

Sunday 10th August 2008
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Some indicators are...

Bigger discs (same as used on S)
Different shockers
and told on some but not all...bigger bore exhaust (from cats to back section).

Now dont ask me how you can tell the difference from the 'std' shockers to RR ones, and the same to the exhaust, without measuring outside diameter.

Also, but not obvious, the head has been 'worked' and led to believe slightly higher compression, again same as S model...

...but wot do i know, i only own one! biggrin

Whitey

2,508 posts

313 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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there has been a few threads on this, so do a search, but here is a previous post of mine:

A factory Red Rose pack consisted of:
18" Spider wheels.
Bigger brakes with alloy front bells.
Firmer height adjustable suspension.
Engine built to RR spec which became S spec (but the S's got bigger bore exhausts)
with of course the marker pen on the fuel rail saying "Red Rose"

and...that's it!!

All for £4200.00.

Some cars are advertised as RR as they have had the engines rebuilt to supposed RR/S spec over the years, but as you say, unless you have the proof of build as a original factory RR, it's not a genuine Red Rose..."

The exhaust unfortunately is standard Tuscan, only the S cars got bigger bore.


Whitey

2,508 posts

313 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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I think it was £4200 + vat, will need to check my sales receipt to check.

T450t

410 posts

220 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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It will be stamped on the block by the Stater motor (I think)But it is the only way you be sure.

Whitey

2,508 posts

313 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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Red Rose brakes with alloy bells. I guess many RR cars will now have lost the alloy bells as one piece S disc's will have been used to replace the disc's when required by dealers.

Whitey

2,508 posts

313 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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Good point T450t, it will have RR stamped at the beginning of the block number, then 00 or 01 for the year followed by the week number ie 16.

Many early 2000 RR engines had the steel billet cranks, but they did not fit them for long, too expensive!

satman

2,455 posts

275 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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Whitey said:
The exhaust unfortunately is standard Tuscan, only the S cars got bigger bore.
Mines a Redrose and and has the big bore exhaust...well at least thats what Dan at Leven Tech told me when it was serviced there last time...biggrin

Tbh i think that what ever was laying around the factory at the time was what was fitted...it seems that so many owners have something, that was not 'standard', fitted to their cars!

Whitey

2,508 posts

313 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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Satman, that's interesting. When was your car built and then registered? It says 2001 on your profile, but the plate says 02?

Maybe yours was a late RR car built when they introduced the S model and hence you have the bigger bore exhaust, which is a good thing!

satman

2,455 posts

275 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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Whitey said:
Satman, that's interesting. When was your car built and then registered? It says 2001 on your profile, but the plate says 02?

Maybe yours was a late RR car built when they introduced the S model and hence you have the bigger bore exhaust, which is a good thing!
Take another look at the plate! wink...its a July 2001

Chewitt

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1,041 posts

266 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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ok maybe I'm being dim but does it say red rose on the stamp or just RR?

I have RR stampings....

also I thought the hydratrak diff was a RR thing??


satman

2,455 posts

275 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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going by handbook...Hydratrack was an 'optional extra', if thats the case, not a easy pointer to a redrose

satman

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275 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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Chewitt said:
I have RR stampings....
thought id read somewhere that suggested RR refered to a recall or rebuild...maybe i miss understood?

Edited by satman on Monday 11th August 18:23

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

32,000 posts

264 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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Am I mad....but if the carpet in the boot is the same colour as in the car, is that also a sign?

Whitey

2,508 posts

313 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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satman said:
Whitey said:
Satman, that's interesting. When was your car built and then registered? It says 2001 on your profile, but the plate says 02?

Maybe yours was a late RR car built when they introduced the S model and hence you have the bigger bore exhaust, which is a good thing!
Take another look at the plate! wink...its a July 2001
oops...... cool

Whitey

2,508 posts

313 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
Am I mad....but if the carpet in the boot is the same colour as in the car, is that also a sign?
nope. The S cars had colour coded as standard, other cars it was an option.

Whitey

2,508 posts

313 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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Chewitt said:
ok maybe I'm being dim but does it say red rose on the stamp or just RR?

I have RR stampings....

also I thought the hydratrak diff was a RR thing??
Hydratrack was only standard on the S. Otherwise it was an option.

It only says RR on the block to define a factory RR engine, on the head it means rebuilt, I will post more info on this tomorrow, I have some details from the factory engine department I will dig out.

LastCerbera

1,352 posts

245 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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I seem to recall that on my 2000MY RR it had RR written on the ECU module in marker pen.


Whitey

2,508 posts

313 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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LastCerbera said:
I seem to recall that on my 2000MY RR it had RR written on the ECU module in marker pen.
Another good point! It has indeed!

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

32,000 posts

264 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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Whitey said:
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
Am I mad....but if the carpet in the boot is the same colour as in the car, is that also a sign?
nope. The S cars had colour coded as standard, other cars it was an option.
You confirmed my suspicion.....