Caution - Chinese v's German Eagle F1s!

[FLAT 6]

Hi All,

See here for some very useful insight into the difference between the Goodyear Eagle F1s that used to be made in Germany and the ones made in China since 2006. Unfortunately, I've got the Chinese ones - totally different construction and the car has been tramlining something shocking since I put them on - I thought I needed a suspension set up but was waiting to see if the handling got better as the fronts wore.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[andyvdg]

This is one of the reasons I put Michelin PS2s on as a replacement for my failing F1s. You can get the PS2s in the right size easily as well.

[Tuscanuwe]

Andyvtg wrote:

"I put Michelin PS2s on as a replacement for my failing F1s"

Are you happy with the Michelins?
Improvements?
Not every tire is same on every car!

I have had them on my 997! Quite good, no complaints,
in wet a bit tricky, in dry exellent!


Uwe

[Arj]

I had the same problem with Goodyear Eagle F1 and with Dunlop SP9000. Changing to the inside lane on the motorway could be downright scary. I recently replaced them with Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta and the tramlining problem disappeared. Handling has improved, they look better and they were much cheaper, which makes me wonder why people keep buying Goodyear.

Edited by Arj on Monday 1st June 17:42

[FLAT 6]

I've been quoted £230 a corner for Pilot Sport's!!!!

They'd need to be pretty amazing for that price compared with well thought of tyres like Proxes T1-R (or did I read there were problems with them as well??).

[FLAT 6]

Now I'm really confused - searched old threads and the following came up!!

900T-R said:

All depends on the car and tyre size - a 1,450 kg Jap rally rep special will probably be too heavy for them, the sidewalls may roll a little too much on a TVR with 15/16" and 55 section tyres, on a Tivver with 18" however the softer sidewalls are mandatory to get a bit of compliance and relax the tendency to tramline etc. a bit. You'll get about 110 different opinions based on 100 different applications - as with any tyre as widely used as the Toyos.

Edited by 900T-R on Wednesday 18th March 20:11

So, this suggests that a softer sidewall reduced tramlining?? Another Tuscan owner locally recommended extra load MPS2s for the opposite reason!!

AAARRRGGGHHHH!!!!!

[BDM]

This tyre lark is confusing...

[andyvdg]

Tuscanuwe said:

Andyvtg wrote:

"I put Michelin PS2s on as a replacement for my failing F1s"

Are you happy with the Michelins?
Improvements?
Not every tire is same on every car!

I have had them on my 997! Quite good, no complaints,
in wet a bit tricky, in dry exellent!


Uwe

I'm very happy with the Michlines. At least as happy with the S02s I had many years ago. I like the feel of PS2s, kind of gluey. Dry grip very good, wear very good, wet grip good but I find them very progressive when they do slip.

They are expensive but I would have them over Toyos just becuase they'll last longer if nothing else.

[Deep Down]

Arj said:

I had the same problem with Goodyear Eagle F1 and with Dunlop SP9000. Changing to the inside lane on the motorway could be downright scary. I recently replaced them with Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta and the tramlining problem disappeared. Handling has improved, they look better and they were much cheaper, which makes me wonder why people keep buying Goodyear.

Edited by Arj on Monday 1st June 17:42

Just replaced my Toyos with the Sessantas, very pleased, no more tramlining

[shortlad]

I have Toyos all round and do suffer tram-lining... Maybe try something different when/if I wear the current tyres out.... Only done a few thousand mile on them.

[so called]

Just for information, I wrote off my Tuscan recently.
I saved my SP12 wheels to put on my new Tuscan.
A couple of weeks ago I saw this "Chinese Goodyears" thread.
Today I checked my tyres and found that the fronts (purchased in Germany last summer) are German but the rears which I got with my SP12's are Chinese.
On inspection there is a considerable degree of distortion which follows the tyre pattern.
Obviously I cant say that it was a factor in my accident but I did loose the rear end on a straight under acceleration.

[Delboy1]

I've just checked mine as i've just had the backs replaced!!

Chinese or the rear and Germans on the front! I think I may have to watch out!!