From Tuscan 2 to Sagaris
Discussion
Hi I'm about to part ex my o5 Tuscan 2 with 3880 odd miles, for a 55 plate Sagaris with 25000 miles, this Sagaris is supposedly in exellent condition. The dealers are telling me that higher mileage is better, because if there was a problem, the car would have been repaired by the dealer or taken back to the factory for repair, whereas mine with so low miles could develop a fault which seems to occur at higher miles than what my car has done,with no warranty to back it up.
So what are your thoughts, am I doing the right thing?
Jeff
So what are your thoughts, am I doing the right thing?
Jeff
I'm biased, but I'd say you are doing the wrong thing and I bet its also costing you cash.
I don't like the enclosed space of a Sag/T350, I feel a sports car should be open topped. Unless you are keen on tracking the car, I think you may find the ride uncomfortably hard and not ideal for touring (boot space issue aswell).
As for the mileage the dealer is trying to sell his car, and IMHO is talking b
ks... My warranty went when TVR went, but its not been an issue really. If things need to be sorted I just paid for it. At 25,000 miles... about time for a new clutch (maybe), I'd also get underneath it and look at the engine bay, I've seen some Sags in atrocious condition, and it was claimed they were "cared for"...If you've had the Tuscan from new, then you know how its been treated, you can't say that about the Sag... and IMHO how a speed six is treated is the most important criteria.
I will never understand how Sags have created this aura about them, when essentially engineering wise the same as a Tuscan 'S'...( expect track width and suspension variations).
I don't like the enclosed space of a Sag/T350, I feel a sports car should be open topped. Unless you are keen on tracking the car, I think you may find the ride uncomfortably hard and not ideal for touring (boot space issue aswell).
As for the mileage the dealer is trying to sell his car, and IMHO is talking b
ks... My warranty went when TVR went, but its not been an issue really. If things need to be sorted I just paid for it. At 25,000 miles... about time for a new clutch (maybe), I'd also get underneath it and look at the engine bay, I've seen some Sags in atrocious condition, and it was claimed they were "cared for"...If you've had the Tuscan from new, then you know how its been treated, you can't say that about the Sag... and IMHO how a speed six is treated is the most important criteria.I will never understand how Sags have created this aura about them, when essentially engineering wise the same as a Tuscan 'S'...( expect track width and suspension variations).
Hmm. Interesting.
Have both. Have used both for touring, long trips and day to day.
Still "learning" the Tuscan, at 22k now from new. 57k on the Sagaris.
While the boot size on the Tusc is a lot more obvious in the space available, as it is an "open drop", we have found the Sagaris to be more than adequate for luggage/etc etc on tour.
As far as the drive is concerned, both have pros and cons. Comfort is similar in both, and have never been bothered by either on long runs/trips.
The Sagaris is the better driving car by far. Whether running through the back roads of Scotland or Cornwall, Spain or France, simply point and shoot.
But apart from that, the Tuscan is a brilliant drive, exceptionally good fun and a delight in itself - and the ability to drop the top does raise the question of which one and when.
Still amazed that more have not followed the "prototype" soft-top Sagaris!
Have both. Have used both for touring, long trips and day to day.
Still "learning" the Tuscan, at 22k now from new. 57k on the Sagaris.
While the boot size on the Tusc is a lot more obvious in the space available, as it is an "open drop", we have found the Sagaris to be more than adequate for luggage/etc etc on tour.
As far as the drive is concerned, both have pros and cons. Comfort is similar in both, and have never been bothered by either on long runs/trips.
The Sagaris is the better driving car by far. Whether running through the back roads of Scotland or Cornwall, Spain or France, simply point and shoot.
But apart from that, the Tuscan is a brilliant drive, exceptionally good fun and a delight in itself - and the ability to drop the top does raise the question of which one and when.
Still amazed that more have not followed the "prototype" soft-top Sagaris!
Think it comes down to if you like open top motoring, I garantee you will miss it and want another open top if you enjoy it. As for comfort, I dont think there is anything wrong with a sag, its not overly harsh and i'm impressed with the ride over english roads. I imagine it will be just like your tuscan. For me any TVR has Aura but I see the sag as their final good bye to the motoring world 
I had a Chimaera before the Tuscan and very rarely had the roof off, I didn't like it very much so I bought the Tuscan, I would never have considered buying the later convertible.I've only had the roof of once in 18 months.
The Tuscan looks like a hard top with the roof on, in my opinion that's what I prefer the look of. I bought the Tuscan second hand with 2000 miles on the clock.
I much prefer the looks of the Sagaris and I'm getting more or less what I paid for the Tuscan it's just the mileage causing me some concern.
The Tuscan looks like a hard top with the roof on, in my opinion that's what I prefer the look of. I bought the Tuscan second hand with 2000 miles on the clock.
I much prefer the looks of the Sagaris and I'm getting more or less what I paid for the Tuscan it's just the mileage causing me some concern.
Jeff J said:
I had a Chimaera before the Tuscan and very rarely had the roof off, I didn't like it very much so I bought the Tuscan, I would never have considered buying the later convertible.I've only had the roof of once in 18 months.
The Tuscan looks like a hard top with the roof on, in my opinion that's what I prefer the look of. I bought the Tuscan second hand with 2000 miles on the clock.
I much prefer the looks of the Sagaris and I'm getting more or less what I paid for the Tuscan it's just the mileage causing me some concern.
I'd be like that, I feel vunerable with the roof off and hate stopping in streets with it down, but I love driving at night with a roof down for some reasonThe Tuscan looks like a hard top with the roof on, in my opinion that's what I prefer the look of. I bought the Tuscan second hand with 2000 miles on the clock.
I much prefer the looks of the Sagaris and I'm getting more or less what I paid for the Tuscan it's just the mileage causing me some concern.
we had a Tuscan, then a Sagaris for 3 years ..must have done 80K miles in them over the years, then sold the Sagaris last year (other reasons, lack of use due to accident)
anyway, we are going back into a TVR next year, but will be looking for late Tuscan
the Sag is awesome when you are on it, or for the odd trackday, but for our useage, fast road touring then the Tuscan appeals, just because of the roof arrangement
anyway, you wont know what you prefer until you try one so give it a go for a year or two, if you get an older, higher mileage example at least it wont lost a load of money when you drive it away and use it
..im afraid I dont like paying a price premium for garage queen type cars that are 3 years old with 3000 miles on, as that just means when you put 10K miles on it a year theres a ton load more depreciation to come out of it
anyway, we are going back into a TVR next year, but will be looking for late Tuscan
the Sag is awesome when you are on it, or for the odd trackday, but for our useage, fast road touring then the Tuscan appeals, just because of the roof arrangement
anyway, you wont know what you prefer until you try one so give it a go for a year or two, if you get an older, higher mileage example at least it wont lost a load of money when you drive it away and use it
..im afraid I dont like paying a price premium for garage queen type cars that are 3 years old with 3000 miles on, as that just means when you put 10K miles on it a year theres a ton load more depreciation to come out of it
I went from a Sagaris to a Tuscan 2. Oddly enough because there was so much I loved about the Sagaris, the thought of more of the same minus the roof was just too tempting.
The Sagaris is superb and more confidence inspiring down a road you don't know, and more stable under hard braking but otherwise there's very little in it. The tuscan's extra ground clearance and narrower profile make it very well suited to UK roads. It's possible to make indecent progress down tight twisty roads. The other big plus of the tuscan is the bonnet. The Sagaris moves disconcertingly at high speed. Tuscan's is the opposite - virtually impossible to remove!
They're both great cars. It really boils down to how much you like convertibles. If you like them a lot, I'd go for a Tuscan as you'll want one eventually. If not you'll love the Sagaris and you can easily get more power out of it too nowadays if you want.
The Sagaris is superb and more confidence inspiring down a road you don't know, and more stable under hard braking but otherwise there's very little in it. The tuscan's extra ground clearance and narrower profile make it very well suited to UK roads. It's possible to make indecent progress down tight twisty roads. The other big plus of the tuscan is the bonnet. The Sagaris moves disconcertingly at high speed. Tuscan's is the opposite - virtually impossible to remove!
They're both great cars. It really boils down to how much you like convertibles. If you like them a lot, I'd go for a Tuscan as you'll want one eventually. If not you'll love the Sagaris and you can easily get more power out of it too nowadays if you want.
Jeff J said:
Hi I'm about to part ex my o5 Tuscan 2 with 3880 odd miles, for a 55 plate Sagaris with 25000 miles, this Sagaris is supposedly in exellent condition. The dealers are telling me that higher mileage is better, because if there was a problem, the car would have been repaired by the dealer or taken back to the factory for repair, whereas mine with so low miles could develop a fault which seems to occur at higher miles than what my car has done,with no warranty to back it up.
So what are your thoughts, am I doing the right thing?
Jeff
The dealer is going to tell you what you want to hear, if it was the other way round he would be saying the Sagaris is due a rebuild.So what are your thoughts, am I doing the right thing?
Jeff
Some people prefer really low mileage some prefer a car with a few more miles on it, either way the car with the lower mileage will be loads more money at a dealer.
Personally I prefer cars with a higher mileage as long as car has been properly maintained.
I bought my Sag with 39k on it (no rebuild) but had full history and had been fully maintained and looked after by TrackVRoad who I know and trust.
It's now near 45k and engine is still sweet.
Edited by TVRMARKUB on Monday 21st June 11:12
The Tuscan 2 is a beautiful car and one hell of a bargain, why they are loads cheaper than Sags I will never know, I suspect now is a good time to buy one as I think prices will eventually be up there with the Sags in a few years.
Though the Sag calling is a hard one to ignore, they are very special cars alright.
Though the Sag calling is a hard one to ignore, they are very special cars alright.
TOV!E said:
TVR_owner said:
If you can live with the roof and the cost to change, it's a no brainer. Sagaris really is that much better.
I HOPE that is just your opinion, as i know a lot will disagree................
But I don't think it lives too far from the truth.
I paid over £15k to go from a Sagaris which I had owned from new to a new Tuscan 2 S.
In weather like this, it's easy to remember why.
Most people who think the Sagaris is in a different league haven't driven a late Tuscan 2 S. Sometimes referred to controversially as the Tuscan Mk 3, the last Tuscans are virtually identical to the Sagaris underneath. The Saggy has a wider track but very little else that's different.
On top of that the Tuscan is more aerodynamic and I would expect it to be quicker than the Sagaris over 100 mph and will go on to a higher top speed. It also has a bonnet that's rock solid. The Saggy's bonnet was the most disappointing thing for me in 2 years of ownership. That and the filled-in vents meant that it wasn't quite everything I had hoped it would be.
For what it's worth the Tuscan feels more accelerative below 100 too, but that's mainly down to the CR box and leggy diff I had on the Sagaris. The Tuscan pulls through the standard gears with greater enthusiasm.
Not having a go at the Sagaris in any way, it was superb in many ways and I'm sure the bonnet is easily fixed. But it's far from a foregone conclusion.
In weather like this, it's easy to remember why.
Most people who think the Sagaris is in a different league haven't driven a late Tuscan 2 S. Sometimes referred to controversially as the Tuscan Mk 3, the last Tuscans are virtually identical to the Sagaris underneath. The Saggy has a wider track but very little else that's different.
On top of that the Tuscan is more aerodynamic and I would expect it to be quicker than the Sagaris over 100 mph and will go on to a higher top speed. It also has a bonnet that's rock solid. The Saggy's bonnet was the most disappointing thing for me in 2 years of ownership. That and the filled-in vents meant that it wasn't quite everything I had hoped it would be.
For what it's worth the Tuscan feels more accelerative below 100 too, but that's mainly down to the CR box and leggy diff I had on the Sagaris. The Tuscan pulls through the standard gears with greater enthusiasm.
Not having a go at the Sagaris in any way, it was superb in many ways and I'm sure the bonnet is easily fixed. But it's far from a foregone conclusion.
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