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driving home and hear that the goverment aren't planning to pass legislation banning the use of mobile fones whilst driving instead they plan to "monitor the situtition" and see if deaths increase , i mean wtf
that's twice in 2 days that some f**ker has nearly hit me and suprise suprise the stupid c**t is on the fone probaly telling the wife that he be home in twenty minutes , well no he won't cos i'll slit hi flockin thoart and bury the body in a shallow grave filled with lime ,then will blair and his useless cronies reckonise that there will be an increase of death on the road
that's twice in 2 days that some f**ker has nearly hit me and suprise suprise the stupid c**t is on the fone probaly telling the wife that he be home in twenty minutes , well no he won't cos i'll slit hi flockin thoart and bury the body in a shallow grave filled with lime ,then will blair and his useless cronies reckonise that there will be an increase of death on the road
quote:Must you escalate rather than defuse? Why ban either? People need to be left alone and the safety nutters need to shut their flapping gobs. Life's full of risks and chances - people need to deal with it and stop trying to festoon us all in f***ing bubblewrap.
surely a burning hot cigarette is just as dangerous - how do u light a cigarette while driving and still be in control - if they ban mobiles they should ban smoking
I'm glad the government aren't bringing in legislation. I'll be happier still when they start repealing things.
As I said here last night, Greg, bring on the Minarchy! 
have you ever read a paper called Assassination Politics? it's at www.jya.com/ap.htm amongst other places... search for it on google and you'll find loads of related gubbins too..
Interesting reading. The Author has been jailed in the USA as a subsersive
Freedom of speech huh?
>> Edited by CarZee on Thursday 9th May 10:11
have you ever read a paper called Assassination Politics? it's at www.jya.com/ap.htm amongst other places... search for it on google and you'll find loads of related gubbins too..
Interesting reading. The Author has been jailed in the USA as a subsersive
Freedom of speech huh? >> Edited by CarZee on Thursday 9th May 10:11
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... Life's full of risks and chances - people need to deal with it and stop trying to festoon us all in f***ing bubblewrap.
But do you want to be exposed to all the risks that other people take, as they plough into you on the mobile phone? (Rhetorical...)
There are many stupid things to do while driving, and there's already a law against it, not being in control of your vehicle. If you can light up, or answer a phone call, or unwrap your chocolate bar and chnge a tape, and still be in control, then fine. If you're not in full control, then you're already commiting an offense, and you certainly don't need enumerated legislation for each thing you could do which is potentially dangerous.
In S Wales, the local plod, under Blair.com direction, are after anyone using a phone except proper car kits. Hands free are getting done as well (ear piece types). Local rag list 175 done in a month or so. For dangerous driving or whatever it is now. So why arn't they doing school run types still putting on makeup/shaving/belting kids (thumps never hurt 
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)quote:Whether you want to be exposed to the possible consequences of the risks others take is moot - you cannot avoid it. You can take your own action to reduce or increase this risk up to a point, but so much is beyond the control of any individual that to focus on eliminating all risk (that is the aim of the risk management sorts which the government and insurers employ) is impossible. The world is chaotic so why worry about what you cannot control? That results in the sort of neurotic way in which the media handle such matters..quote:But do you want to be exposed to all the risks that other people take, as they plough into you on the mobile phone? (Rhetorical...)
... Life's full of risks and chances - people need to deal with it and stop trying to festoon us all in f***ing bubblewrap.
Speed Kills, Beer Kills, Vegetables are cancerous, water is good for you except when it's bad for you. Tea and coffee do more good than harm except when used in combination with water when they are more harmful than Vegetables. Smoking is bad for everyone. We told you all it was good for you a generation ago and now we've got a global health issue on our hands.. but it's your fault for smoking. What the Fcuk ???? STOP TALKING BOLLOCKS AND LEAVE US ALONE!!
quote:Agreed.
If you're not in full control, then you're already commiting an offense, and you certainly don't need enumerated legislation for each thing you could do which is potentially dangerous.
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Like IR35, for starters ?
Not wishing to piss you off, genuinely interested as a permie in the IT business, but why is IR35 unfair? If it stops contractors from being able to dodge income tax by having to treat all the money they receive in return for the work they do as income that seems only fair to me as a taxpayer. What have I missed?
quote:We don't get to dodge income tax - that is payable on all salary or dividends. We have to pay employers and employees national insurance on everything we invoice for on a contract which falls foul of IR35.
why is IR35 unfair?
No provision for setting money aside for accountants, solicitors, training, development, promotion, schmoozing with agents and other companies and generally all the things that are in the line of growing a small business.
There is a pathetic flat rate 5% allowance for expenses, which doesn't add up to much when you consider that against the cost of a 1 week training course or a years accountancy fees and compared to the percentage of their income larger companies re-invest.
If as an employee of an IT bobdyshop (EDS, CSC etc)your company invest a coupe of grand a year in your personal development, they get to offset that against tax. We don't get any allowances for company expenditure if the company's money comes from a contract which is IR35 - we're treated as if we're PAYE employees of the client company - except we don't get any benefits or security from that client company - but have a whole load more responsibilities such as IR, VAT, public liability etc.
It sucks - not because the government are taking moeny off me that I don't want to give them, but because they are taking money off me that larger companies get to keep and spend of business development. Hardly equitable, that.
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It sucks - not because the government are taking moeny off me that I don't want to give them, but because they are taking money off me that larger companies get to keep and spend of business development. Hardly equitable, that.
>> Edited by CarZee on Thursday 9th May 12:00
Ta for that, I never really understood the beef. Clearly unfair that you can't offset reasonable expenses against your tax liability, especially training costs which in the IT business are a total rip-off.
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It sucks - not because the government are taking moeny off me that I don't want to give them, but because they are taking money off me that larger companies get to keep and spend of business development. Hardly equitable, that.
No it isn't. That's why I'm part of a small partnership (actually a Ltd Co.) so we're (just) big enough...I often wonder why a group of small independents don't get together more often to give to finger to that b*****d Brown...
quote:Yes, if you put it that way and only look at it at the most superficial level (ie. believe the spin doctors) then its very fair. And I'll happily pay my fair share of taxes.
why is IR35 unfair? If it stops contractors from being able to dodge income tax by having to treat all the money they receive in return for the work they do as income that seems only fair to me as a taxpayer.
But as CarZee has pointed out, its not fair. Because not only does the Chancellor want to tax all my company's income as if I was an employee (N.I. and PAYE income tax), he STILL wants all the employer taxes (corporation tax, employers N.I.), still wants all the nice Insurance Premium Tax on the insurance policies both I and my company need, and will gladly keep all the VAT that my company would otherwise have recovered on allowable business expenses.
Oh, and if I'm caught by IR35 then I get taxed as an employee but get none of the benefits of an employee. You're only an employee as far as tax is concerned (ie. when it suits them), but not when employee benefits are concerned (protection from unfair dismissal, redundancy, sickness, holiday pay, bonuses, share schemes, pensions, etc.)
Still, I won't grumble too much - I can always go permie if it gets too bad. Likewise permies who grumble about contractors (I don't mean you, I mean in general) can always go contract if they perceive the grass to be greener. Horses for courses and all that.
Phew! Glad we got that sorted out. Lets talk about cars now.
Theis is just part of the undercurrent of 'cars and everything to do with them are bad'. Being on the phone, eating yer sarny, managing junior in his little seat, back window full of Bagpuss and Gonks, smoking, - all of these things detract from driving. Point really is, how am I driving? - I am going to sound pompous now, but I AM IN BETTER CONTROL OF MY CAR WHEN SMOKING THAN THE MAJORITY OF ROAD USERS WHO ARE NOT. I think many here would agree - we take pride in our cars and our driving. I know people who I will not ride with, my father for one - 10 yrs Parkinsons sufferer, cannot control his car, but the medics sign him off. My one eyed friend who cannot judge distance. Another relative is a wheelchair user in a modified car - does her best but it is scary. Live and let live goes only so far - The question is 'can one drive well enough irrespective of what else they are doing or are contending with. Off soapbox now... 
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