Petrol Price Boycott
Discussion
Received this today and thought I would pass it on, not sure if there is a forum about this already, I did do a quick search.
We are going to hit close to 89p a litre by the summer. (Actually 89p in parts of Leicestershire already!)
Want petrol prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action.
Philip Hollsworth offered this good idea:
This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy petrol on a certain day"
campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just
laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to hurt ourselves
by refusing to buy petrol. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it
was a problem for them.
BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can
really work. Please read it and join in!
Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to
think that the cost of a litre is CHEAP at 77p -80p, we need to take
aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace not
sellers. With the price of petrol going up more each day, we consumers
need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of
petrol come down is if we hit someone in the pocket by not purchasing
their Petrol! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. Here's the
idea:
For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY petrol from the two
biggest oil companies (which now are one), ESSO and BP. If they are not
selling any petrol, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If
they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit.
But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Esso and
BP petrol buyers. It's really simple to do!! Now, don't whimp out on me
at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach
millions of people!!
I am sending this note to a; lot of people. If each of you send it to at
least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those 300 send it to at least ten
more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the message reaches
the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION
consumers! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten
friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it
goes one level further, you guessed it... .. THREE HUNDRED MILLION
PEOPLE!!! Again,all You have to do is send this to 10 people. That's
all.(and not buy at ESSO/BP) How long would all that take? If each of us
sends this email out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all
300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8
days!!! I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did
you! Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to
you, please pass this message on. PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR
PRICES TO THE 69p a LITRE RANGE
Action:
It's easy to make this happen. Just forward this email, and buy your
petrol at Shell, Tesco, Sainsburys, Morrisons (75p)Jet etc. i.e. BOYCOTT BP
& ESSO!!!
We are going to hit close to 89p a litre by the summer. (Actually 89p in parts of Leicestershire already!)
Want petrol prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action.
Philip Hollsworth offered this good idea:
This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy petrol on a certain day"
campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just
laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to hurt ourselves
by refusing to buy petrol. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it
was a problem for them.
BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can
really work. Please read it and join in!
Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to
think that the cost of a litre is CHEAP at 77p -80p, we need to take
aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace not
sellers. With the price of petrol going up more each day, we consumers
need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of
petrol come down is if we hit someone in the pocket by not purchasing
their Petrol! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. Here's the
idea:
For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY petrol from the two
biggest oil companies (which now are one), ESSO and BP. If they are not
selling any petrol, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If
they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit.
But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Esso and
BP petrol buyers. It's really simple to do!! Now, don't whimp out on me
at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach
millions of people!!
I am sending this note to a; lot of people. If each of you send it to at
least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those 300 send it to at least ten
more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the message reaches
the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION
consumers! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten
friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it
goes one level further, you guessed it... .. THREE HUNDRED MILLION
PEOPLE!!! Again,all You have to do is send this to 10 people. That's
all.(and not buy at ESSO/BP) How long would all that take? If each of us
sends this email out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all
300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8
days!!! I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did
you! Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to
you, please pass this message on. PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR
PRICES TO THE 69p a LITRE RANGE
Action:
It's easy to make this happen. Just forward this email, and buy your
petrol at Shell, Tesco, Sainsburys, Morrisons (75p)Jet etc. i.e. BOYCOTT BP
& ESSO!!!
All very well and good, but who supplies the supermarkets? If your local Morrisons (or whoever) is selling BP/Texaco/Esso purchased petrol as a loss leader what difference will it make? The margins on fuel at the pump are very small anyway - most service stations make more out of selling cigarettes and groceries. Bear in mind also that lots of branded service stations are licenced out to smaller operators, so even though you think you're hurting "Big Oil Inc", all you're doing is putting the squeeze on the little guy.
Even if you boycott BP stations, the fuel you buy elsewhere has doubtless passed through joint venture storage terminals and pipelines and attracted throughput charges, so they've already made money that way!
What about the airlines? They can't exactly pop down to Sainsburys and pop a tank of jet kero in the 757...
Even if you boycott BP stations, the fuel you buy elsewhere has doubtless passed through joint venture storage terminals and pipelines and attracted throughput charges, so they've already made money that way!
What about the airlines? They can't exactly pop down to Sainsburys and pop a tank of jet kero in the 757...
This has been around a bit...
basically anyone who drives a performance car will go to Esso due to their superior fuel.
It's more of an anti-globalisation hit at two big oil companies than anything.
It's the government who wack such a huge tax on fuel... not the oil companies who raise their prices. All relatively speaking.
basically anyone who drives a performance car will go to Esso due to their superior fuel.
It's more of an anti-globalisation hit at two big oil companies than anything.
It's the government who wack such a huge tax on fuel... not the oil companies who raise their prices. All relatively speaking.
At the end of the day it's tax and not the oil companies thats the problem (as someone has already mentioned)
What we need is a good old fuel strike to starve the government of cash for a week or so.
The revenue they make in a week (or lose in a week) would make them sit up and take notice.
While they might not reduce the tax they would be cautioned against future increases (like the last time).
I really wish a fuel strike could happen as I'm sick to death of paying 300% tax on petrol.
Andy
What we need is a good old fuel strike to starve the government of cash for a week or so.
The revenue they make in a week (or lose in a week) would make them sit up and take notice.
While they might not reduce the tax they would be cautioned against future increases (like the last time).
I really wish a fuel strike could happen as I'm sick to death of paying 300% tax on petrol.
Andy
I've just received the same email today. Maybe it could work. It's an interesting concept that could be applied to all sorts of things. 
Beer comes to mind.
I've always thought Shell optimax was the best stuff for your motor. Should I be checking out the others? you know what thought did ?
m4rk
>> Edited by m4rk on Tuesday 25th May 12:58
Beer comes to mind. I've always thought Shell optimax was the best stuff for your motor. Should I be checking out the others? you know what thought did ?
m4rk
>> Edited by m4rk on Tuesday 25th May 12:58
m4rk said:
I've just received the same email today. Maybe it could work. It's an interesting concept that could be applied to all sorts of things.
I've always thought Shell optimax was the best stuff for your motor. Should I be checking out the others? you know what thought did ?
m4rk
>> Edited by m4rk on Tuesday 25th May 12:58
Well how about we ask Ted to do a comparison between fuels, to include long term engine wear, power, emissions etc, and present the results so we can all decide what the best fuel is......
Munter said:
Well how about we ask Ted to do a comparison between fuels, to include long term engine wear, power, emissions etc, and present the results so we can all decide what the best fuel is......
Great, but being new to the forum, hasn't that already been done ? If not I'd be interested to know if I was wasting my money on Optimax.
Going back the original thread. What do diesel cars/truck owners do. There's no mention of them
m4rk
NOT an idea, Just more information for you! Compare fuel prices with elsewhere in Europe. That being displayed at the moment is for March, so a little out of date, but!
www.see-search.com/business/fuelandpetrolpriceseurope.htm
www.see-search.com/business/fuelandpetrolpriceseurope.htm
Its been said several times already but needs to be re-inforced time and again - boycotting the oil companies by whatever means is not the answer. Lets not forget that at 80p/ltr, the actual fuel cost is 20p. Thats cheaper than milk and bottled water FFS!!! We have to get the message across that tax and duty are the real culprits, as well as the lazy b'stards that sit back and rake it in.
Fuel duty and tax (and tax on the duty remember, a double whammy) have been used as the 'big stick' fiscal measure to get us off the roads in the interests of the environment. This has blatently failed - there are more cars driven by more people further every year. But they don't go back and rethink. They like the money to much.
We make sacrifices elsewhere to afford our motoring because 9 times out if 10 there is no choice - public transport is appalling in this country. Did anyone see tonights TV about Swiss Railways? One of their gurus came over to help out the train companies - he packed up after a year and went home in disgust. The regime in the UK is totally unworkable in his view. Back to the Government again.
Vote the buggers out. Anyone has to be better than the shower running the country (into the ground?) at the moment.
OK, rant off. Time for a beer and a lie down.....
>> Edited by hedgerley on Friday 28th May 00:03
Fuel duty and tax (and tax on the duty remember, a double whammy) have been used as the 'big stick' fiscal measure to get us off the roads in the interests of the environment. This has blatently failed - there are more cars driven by more people further every year. But they don't go back and rethink. They like the money to much.
We make sacrifices elsewhere to afford our motoring because 9 times out if 10 there is no choice - public transport is appalling in this country. Did anyone see tonights TV about Swiss Railways? One of their gurus came over to help out the train companies - he packed up after a year and went home in disgust. The regime in the UK is totally unworkable in his view. Back to the Government again.
Vote the buggers out. Anyone has to be better than the shower running the country (into the ground?) at the moment.
OK, rant off. Time for a beer and a lie down.....
>> Edited by hedgerley on Friday 28th May 00:03
Trouble is, the Railways in this country have been systematically left to rot, starved of cash and finally "ripped to pieces" by every shade of government since AT LEAST the '60,s.
I don't blame the railways, they, like us are the victims. The victims of totally inept and BAD leadership from every Government we have suffered since 1945, You can't take the running of a system like this "out of the hands of it's Engineers" and give it to "know all, Politicians" or "Quick Buck styled CEO's" and expect it to get better!
Had GB PLC been a private company, these inept politicians would have all been out on their A
es a long time ago, (albeit with a golden handshake!). MMmmm!!! Though y'know, there's not REALLY that much difference is there?
Back to Fuel! I've said it before and I'll say it again, how on earth they expect an economy to work with tax amounting to 80% (something like 300% rate of tax) of the price, I'll NEVER know! When Robin Hood revolted, they weren't demanding THAT much!
>> Edited by 8Pack on Saturday 29th May 02:19
I don't blame the railways, they, like us are the victims. The victims of totally inept and BAD leadership from every Government we have suffered since 1945, You can't take the running of a system like this "out of the hands of it's Engineers" and give it to "know all, Politicians" or "Quick Buck styled CEO's" and expect it to get better!
Had GB PLC been a private company, these inept politicians would have all been out on their A
es a long time ago, (albeit with a golden handshake!). MMmmm!!! Though y'know, there's not REALLY that much difference is there? Back to Fuel! I've said it before and I'll say it again, how on earth they expect an economy to work with tax amounting to 80% (something like 300% rate of tax) of the price, I'll NEVER know! When Robin Hood revolted, they weren't demanding THAT much!
>> Edited by 8Pack on Saturday 29th May 02:19
Okay.. I know I am going to get flamed, but here it is anyway..
Ultimately the government is dependent on the taxes they receive from petrol. To make the budget balance, they will get that money from you. So, even if you could get the price down to 40p, what you save at the pump you will pay elsewhere. Ultimately, you are going to pay it - one way or the other. I know, maybe it would feel better to not pay it when filling the tank, but if you ultimately pay the same amount in taxes, it ultimately doesn't matter.
--Monty
Ultimately the government is dependent on the taxes they receive from petrol. To make the budget balance, they will get that money from you. So, even if you could get the price down to 40p, what you save at the pump you will pay elsewhere. Ultimately, you are going to pay it - one way or the other. I know, maybe it would feel better to not pay it when filling the tank, but if you ultimately pay the same amount in taxes, it ultimately doesn't matter.
--Monty
OK, that raises a much wider issue - how much of our money the Government spends and what they spend it on. Whether overtly or by stealth, we are being crucified, in particular over the last 7 years. But they can't spend what they already have. Its been calculated that if my Council reduced their emergency contigency reserves to nationally recommended levels, not only could we get away with a zero percent raise this year, but we could actually get a rebate of £87! Instead they chose to raise my Council tax by 5%!
Here in Scotland we have the Parliament building debacle, a waste of £430m if ever there was one - but still the Scottish Executive UNDERSPENT their budget by £600m last year. Public sector jobs (which contribute sweet FA to GB plc in terms of national wealth) are increasing exponentially, way ahead of actual wealth creating jobs. They have to keep making them up (Teenage Pregnancy Outreach Facilitators anyone) to spend the cash they already have.
Like many, I believe taxes are necessary and I am more than happy to pay my fair share. But our patience is being tested to the limit by a system that sucks in cash for little or no apparent improvement in services. The small rise in crude oil, reflected in a similar rise in petrol prices, produces a hugely disproportionate windfall for the treasury through duty and VAT. Thats what pissies me off - the Chancellor does bugger all and the cash rolls in.
ps that job description is real by the way, as are the "10 Temporary Life Guards" plus "5 Part-Time Temporary Life Guards" needed for Scotland's beaches. Now, wheres my trunks......
Here in Scotland we have the Parliament building debacle, a waste of £430m if ever there was one - but still the Scottish Executive UNDERSPENT their budget by £600m last year. Public sector jobs (which contribute sweet FA to GB plc in terms of national wealth) are increasing exponentially, way ahead of actual wealth creating jobs. They have to keep making them up (Teenage Pregnancy Outreach Facilitators anyone) to spend the cash they already have.
Like many, I believe taxes are necessary and I am more than happy to pay my fair share. But our patience is being tested to the limit by a system that sucks in cash for little or no apparent improvement in services. The small rise in crude oil, reflected in a similar rise in petrol prices, produces a hugely disproportionate windfall for the treasury through duty and VAT. Thats what pissies me off - the Chancellor does bugger all and the cash rolls in.
ps that job description is real by the way, as are the "10 Temporary Life Guards" plus "5 Part-Time Temporary Life Guards" needed for Scotland's beaches. Now, wheres my trunks......
my colleagues and i all work for bp. you need to take a look at whos really putting the prices on fuel......the government.
boycotting bp is just a childish thing to do because your potentially putting innocent people like us out of a job when we have normal lives like everybody else and we have childrens mouths to feed.
we're also being threatened with a 3 day week coz of all this which means we get out pay docked and the union can't do anything about it because its a justified action!
Just consider the people like us at the other end before you take any harsh action - if i lose my job and my home are any of you going to provide for us and our families?
boycotting bp is just a childish thing to do because your potentially putting innocent people like us out of a job when we have normal lives like everybody else and we have childrens mouths to feed.
we're also being threatened with a 3 day week coz of all this which means we get out pay docked and the union can't do anything about it because its a justified action!
Just consider the people like us at the other end before you take any harsh action - if i lose my job and my home are any of you going to provide for us and our families?
I think that's generally recognised - the big question, as above, is WFT do the government do with all the cash they rake in (while conveniently trying to get oil companies to take the blame for it).
Not that I think that BP is some benevolent altruistic charity ... but blame where it's due!
Not that I think that BP is some benevolent altruistic charity ... but blame where it's due!
Agreed. Petrol itself in the uk is among the cheapest in europe IIRC, at something like 20p per litre. The rest of it is duty and VAT. Just for double the fun, the duty is added, and then (IIRC) you pay VAT on the new total..... so tax on the tax 
so if someone needs a 
it's the government, not the petrol companies.
so if someone needs a it's the government, not the petrol companies.TheHobbit said:
Agreed. Petrol itself in the uk is among the cheapest in europe IIRC, at something like 20p per litre. The rest of it is duty and VAT. Just for double the fun, the duty is added, and then (IIRC) you pay VAT on the new total..... so tax on the tax
Absolute tosh you have forgotten you have already paid income tax on the money you buy the petrol with. So thats tax on tax on tax
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