Caterham Elise !?
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luke g28

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174 posts

180 months

Thursday 13th October 2011
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Our sources tell us that a team of engineers, many ex-Lotus, are beavering away in the Hethel Engineering Centre. Word has it they are working on an Elise chassis powered by a Renaultsport engine/transmission, and that the car will launch under the Caterham banner next year. Whether the car will carry the Elise name is unknown.
Rumour suggests the Renaultsport-powered Caterham could launch under a new name and with unique bodywork. This sharing of assets would allow Group Lotus to move forward with its larger, upscale Elise project, while effectively turning over the old car to Tony Fernandes and the boys at Caterham. Expect to see the Team Lotus name ‘sold’ to Group Lotus as payment for this deal.
Those close to the situation strongly suggest that, although this is a prelude to even greater cooperation between the two companies, it isn’t the end of the battle between Tony Fernandes and Dany Bahar. Some even suggest the move makes it more likely that Fernandes will eventually take control of Lotus and run Caterham and Group Lotus as complimentary companies on the road and in Formula 1 once Bahar leaves.
Fernandes would scoop up a revamped Lotus for pennies on the dollar. Proton and the Malaysian Government would be able to preserve their honour by turning control of the UK sports car maker over to a man who is a considered a national treasure in his home country.
We will keep an eye on this story as it progresses.
[Chris Sawyer is the creator of the Virtual Driver website]

http://www.aronline.co.uk/blogs/2011/10/01/news-el...

I dont think there is anybody who would not approve of this if it turns out to be true....

So what do you think? Likely or made up ?

andyps

7,819 posts

303 months

Thursday 13th October 2011
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I thought it very likely until the announcement that Genii Capital may invest in Group Lotus to supplement their involvement in the Lotus sponsored Renault F1 team. But that could just be a way to get a better deal from Tony Fernades.

G0ldfysh

3,317 posts

278 months

Thursday 13th October 2011
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That would be ideal.
shame it feels like a pipe dream.

Alfa numeric

3,155 posts

200 months

Thursday 13th October 2011
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yes

The current Elise is nowhere near dead yet so I can't see Caterham taking it over for a few years yet, as much as I would love to see it happen.

Do you think they're using the RS Megane transmission ?

TubbyNorman

214 posts

202 months

Thursday 20th October 2011
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I heard it would be a revamped Mk1 Elise that would wear the Caterham name.

cymtriks

4,561 posts

266 months

Sunday 23rd October 2011
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Why would they do this?

The vast majority of customers will want a lotus as they will know that the Caterham is the obsolete version of the same car.

Changing the driveline is rather fundamental. It sounds a very expensive way to add no real benefit.

Unless they can do something to give a serious driving advantage such as a significant weight saving or far more revvy engine what is the point?

Alfa numeric

3,155 posts

200 months

Monday 24th October 2011
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The Caterham Seven is a rebadged Lotus and that has been a relative success, so why not? The Elise has had the engine from two different manufacturers (Rover and Toyota)and a third (Honda) is a popular conversion, so I don't think the engine is that much of an issue.

cymtriks

4,561 posts

266 months

Monday 24th October 2011
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You just don't get the points at all.

Fitting yet another different engine with all the testing and other costs is extra expense for no obvious reason.

The Seven is unique among production cars, an Elise variant isn't as its still in production as a more up to date Lotus.

So before they sell a single car there will be upfront costs for no obvious benefit and a more up to date variant of the same car on sale somewhere else.

Mikeyboy

5,018 posts

256 months

Tuesday 25th October 2011
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cymtriks said:
You just don't get the points at all.

Fitting yet another different engine with all the testing and other costs is extra expense for no obvious reason.

The Seven is unique among production cars, an Elise variant isn't as its still in production as a more up to date Lotus.

So before they sell a single car there will be upfront costs for no obvious benefit and a more up to date variant of the same car on sale somewhere else.
Well the change of driveline could be simply because Caterham do not have a contract with Toyota but they do with Renaultsport. The costs to do this in comparison to new chassis and crash tests, minimal. If I were Caterham its the best way to become a manufacturer...Oh hang on thats what they did do back in the 60s right?
The Seven is unique, except for the many very similar cars like Westfields.
And the point about having another variant that is similar to an existing model...
It is hinted that this will be very much like the 7, a sell off of the rights to Caterham when the production run ends, ahead of the new Lotuses which are due in the next 3-4years.
Can't see the problem with this idea. Except Bahar is not the sort of guy in my opinion to let it happen.