This is not justice
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/england/newsid_2062000/2062902.stm
I have no sympathy for this f**ker. He should have been jailed for life and to reduce his sentence is a f**king travesty.
Being a teeny-weeny bit over the limit and not realising it is one thing but getting totally s**tfaced and driving is just ridiculous.
I have no sympathy for this f**ker. He should have been jailed for life and to reduce his sentence is a f**king travesty.
Being a teeny-weeny bit over the limit and not realising it is one thing but getting totally s**tfaced and driving is just ridiculous.
I dont mean to be argumentative here Steve, Does it make a difference whether is was one person on six (My condolences to those involved in the case above). Whether he was drunk or sober ....
What matters is that someone dies, same as the lady who gets plouged down by a police car... Does the policeman get 15 years too ? I think not!
Maybe I'm out of line here but I'm so sick of people always going after the drunk guy .... or speed kills
As many people are killed by sober drivers! see above!
What matters is that someone dies, same as the lady who gets plouged down by a police car... Does the policeman get 15 years too ? I think not!
Maybe I'm out of line here but I'm so sick of people always going after the drunk guy .... or speed kills
As many people are killed by sober drivers! see above!
rant on;
Absolute disgrace! This really should have been lock up and throw away the key time. The consequences of his actions were entirely predictable.
Mind you, what do you expect from our justice system?
After all, it's not so long ago that they sent that fella to prison for 6 years when his Land Rover ended up on the railway track. Not defecding someone who fell asleep at the wheel (alegedly)BUT he wasn't drunk, and it wasn't his fault the barriers were inadequate, nor was it his fault that a coal train was passing at the same time as the passenger train. If 6 years was the correct tarrif for that offence then our drunken arsehole should get life, no remission!
rant over
Andy 400se
Absolute disgrace! This really should have been lock up and throw away the key time. The consequences of his actions were entirely predictable.
Mind you, what do you expect from our justice system?
After all, it's not so long ago that they sent that fella to prison for 6 years when his Land Rover ended up on the railway track. Not defecding someone who fell asleep at the wheel (alegedly)BUT he wasn't drunk, and it wasn't his fault the barriers were inadequate, nor was it his fault that a coal train was passing at the same time as the passenger train. If 6 years was the correct tarrif for that offence then our drunken arsehole should get life, no remission!
rant over
Andy 400se
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I dont mean to be argumentative here Steve, Does it make a difference whether is was one person on six (My condolences to those involved in the case above). Whether he was drunk or sober ....
What matters is that someone dies, same as the lady who gets plouged down by a police car... Does the policeman get 15 years too ? I think not!
Maybe I'm out of line here but I'm so sick of people always going after the drunk guy .... or speed kills
As many people are killed by sober drivers! see above!
Quite true Richard. I always believed that English Justice was supposed to be based on the facts of the case,and the level of punishment determined according to guilt rather than the actual consequences of the action. There have been other car on railway line accidents since the one I mentioned and nobody went to prison for those!
Justice today is a lottery, based on what will grab the headlines or appeal to the lowest common denominator in society. Populism guides too many judges views. What was the intent here? Where the consequences of the actions at all predictable?
Our drunken man Must have known that he was running an enormous risk, not only to himself but to his passengers and to other road users. As such, he deserved the full sentence in my view, and indeed should have got it even if no one had been injured. Driving after 8 pints and 2 alchopops is not simply flirting with the law, it's tantamount to an active intent to recklessly endanger others. No amount of whining or hand wringing after the event changes the facts. The fact that 6 people died as a result should not determine the sentence, but I suspect it did, just like the poor sod in the Land Rover. Only trouble is drunken boy deserved it (IMHO) the other fella didn't.
Andy 400se
I wonder how many beers you all drink and still drive. The most I've ever had is one Stella before driving. Even on that I can tell my reactions are significantly worse. Legally I think I'd be entitled to another pint, but it's just not worth it. If I know I'm going out for a thrash straight after I'd only get a coke to keep my concentation at a peak.
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I dont mean to be argumentative here Steve, Does it make a difference whether is was one person on six (My condolences to those involved in the case above). Whether he was drunk or sober ....
What matters is that someone dies, same as the lady who gets plouged down by a police car... Does the policeman get 15 years too ? I think not!
Maybe I'm out of line here but I'm so sick of people always going after the drunk guy .... or speed kills
As many people are killed by sober drivers! see above!
Sorry to disagree but I can't believe you wrote that...
What total bollox!!! Of course it makes a difference if there is more than one person.. Just stop for one minute and imagine how you would feel if you lost your Mother? terrible I guess, but imagine losing your entire family because some total w*nker decides to drive his car drunk? I would kill the bastard never mind sentence him to 15 years. He should have got 15 years for each life he took- meaning 90 years with no remission.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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I dont mean to be argumentative here Steve, Does it make a difference whether is was one person on six (My condolences to those involved in the case above). Whether he was drunk or sober ....
What matters is that someone dies, same as the lady who gets plouged down by a police car... Does the policeman get 15 years too ? I think not!
Maybe I'm out of line here but I'm so sick of people always going after the drunk guy .... or speed kills
As many people are killed by sober drivers! see above!
I am afraid that this was the inevitable mix of speed and alcohol. Had either of them not been in the equation then the accident may not have happened.
I agree with the sentiments about sentencing on this one but I only hope that all that condemn for being over the limit on alcohol would be just as pragmatic when someone is reported to have killed by just having fun and being over the limit on speed.
If you were talking about the law and sentencing being fair then yes, jail every cop that kills someone on an emergency call.
Dont expect though that if you did that, when you were in trouble it took two or three days for an officer to show his face ( I know some will say it does anyway)
Police would then not respond on immediate runs as they value their liberty.
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I dont mean to be argumentative here Steve, Does it make a difference whether is was one person on six (My condolences to those involved in the case above). Whether he was drunk or sober ....
What matters is that someone dies, same as the lady who gets plouged down by a police car... Does the policeman get 15 years too ? I think not!
Maybe I'm out of line here but I'm so sick of people always going after the drunk guy .... or speed kills
As many people are killed by sober drivers! see above!
No. Big difference. This guy got in his car knowing he was incapacitated by drink. He didn't get caught out by unforseen circumstances, he didn't run out of luck by having someone run out in front of him or a mechanical failure, he didn't get himself into a situation where his skill and ability ran out.
He knew he was putting people at needless risk and he didn't care. He's a f**king criminal, six people are dead through his stupid, selfish action and he shouldn't see the sunlight for a long, long time.
quote:Oh for crying out loud.....
Just stop for one minute and imagine how you would feel if you lost your Mother? terrible I guess, but imagine losing your entire family because some total w*nker decides to drive his car drunk?
The purpose of the law is not to act as a tool of vengence for agrieved and/or bereaved families - the law relies on objectivity. And 'put yourself in the position of the bereaved mother' couldn't be further from objectivity.
I'm sick of people making out the execution of law to be a conduit of catharsis: It's not!
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I agree with the sentiments about sentencing on this one but I only hope that all that condemn for being over the limit on alcohol would be just as pragmatic when someone is reported to have killed by just having fun and being over the limit on speed.
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Total Bollocks Madcop. 8 Pints and two alchopops is not the same as 85mph on a clear dry road in terms of blame. Your attempt to link Speed into this equation is sickening. You are a disgrace.
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If you were talking about the law and sentencing being fair then yes, jail every cop that kills someone on an emergency call.
Dont expect though that if you did that, when you were in trouble it took two or three days for an officer to show his face ( I know some will say it does anyway)
Police would then not respond on immediate runs as they value their liberty.
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Yeah right. Like I could give a sh*t about that. Now it's Our fault you guys won't get off your fat arses and chase real crooks instead of issuing thousands of nonsensical tickets to drivers? You make me sick!
Andy 400se
>> Edited by andymadmak on Monday 24th June 16:27
I agree with the sentiments about sentencing on this one but I only hope that all that condemn for being over the limit on alcohol would be just as pragmatic when someone is reported to have killed by just having fun and being over the limit on speed.
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Total Bollocks Madcop. 8 Pints and two alchopops is not the same as 85mph on a clear dry road in terms of blame. Your attempt to link Speed into this equation is sickening. You are a disgrace.
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If you were talking about the law and sentencing being fair then yes, jail every cop that kills someone on an emergency call.
Dont expect though that if you did that, when you were in trouble it took two or three days for an officer to show his face ( I know some will say it does anyway)
Police would then not respond on immediate runs as they value their liberty.
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Yeah right. Like I could give a sh*t about that. Now it's Our fault you guys won't get off your fat arses and chase real crooks instead of issuing thousands of nonsensical tickets to drivers? You make me sick!
Andy 400se
>> Edited by andymadmak on Monday 24th June 16:27
All Opinions ...
Thank heavens we all have the right to voice our own opinion, I do not agree or condone drinking and driving but I'm sure when he sobred up he was as devestated by his actions as were the people involved in this very unfortunate incident. It brings me to ask, why was everyone so keen to release the farmer for shooting the kid a while back ... Life is life and its a precious to one as it is to all ....
BUT.... Remember that alcoholism is a desease that needs support too, we never realise the severity of it till its too late as in the case above!
And Flasher I know what it feels like to be at the other end! , I have had a loved one killed by a Drunk driver!
Thank heavens we all have the right to voice our own opinion, I do not agree or condone drinking and driving but I'm sure when he sobred up he was as devestated by his actions as were the people involved in this very unfortunate incident. It brings me to ask, why was everyone so keen to release the farmer for shooting the kid a while back ... Life is life and its a precious to one as it is to all ....
BUT.... Remember that alcoholism is a desease that needs support too, we never realise the severity of it till its too late as in the case above!
And Flasher I know what it feels like to be at the other end! , I have had a loved one killed by a Drunk driver!
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I'm sure when he sobred up he was as devestated by his actions as were the people involved in this very unfortunate incident.
Err, no.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1205000/1205747.stm
The words of the judge:
You miraculously survived with only minor injuries but you had no compassion for your victims,"
"You only contacted the police when satisfied you had no alcohol left in your blood and you then named a dead friend as the driver."
"Your arrogance in the witness box was breathtaking, claiming you were perfectly capable of driving safely after consuming 13 pints."
Sorry, life.
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quote:That's out of order IMO!
Yeah right. Like I could give a sh*t about that. Now it's Our fault you guys won't get off your fat arses and chase real crooks instead of issuing thousands of nonsensical tickets to drivers? You make me sick!
Why is it out of order? Madcop is essentially saying that a speeding driver is no better than the drunk fella. He then goes on to say that we shouldn't prosecute speeding cops cos then they won't do their jobs.
Well he can't have it both ways IMHO.
Inappropriate use of speed kills, we all accept that (I hope) but to blindly link the drunk drivers actions to the speed question was disingenuous to say the least. Thats the sort of thing we expect from Blair and co!
Also, the fact he effectively wants a charter for cops to use speed when they feel appropriate, but not be held responsible, when in the previous breath he compares speed offences to alchohol offences is outrageous, And then to say that if we don't see it his way we can effectively forget any last vestige of hope that an emergency 999 call might actually solicit an urgent response when we need it is sickening.
My language might be a bit ripe, but my sentiments are strongly held!
Andy 400se
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andymadmak
You have never had a drink and then driven your car??
Generalising against MadCop is not very fair is it? he's not the topic of this link ....
Max 2 pints. Mostly 1 and then Cola from then on.
I realise how pious that makes me sound, but I am no hypocrite. I say what I think thats all.
And I'm not generalising against Madcop, I responded to his comments.
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