RE: DVLA plans to introduce new car tax
RE: DVLA plans to introduce new car tax
Thursday 30th September 2004

DVLA plans to introduce new car tax

New tax to hit laid-up classics and disabled drivers


You don't even have to keep your car on the road for the government to want to you to pay tax on it. It should be resisted, says the Association of British Drivers (ABD).

A consultation document recently issued by the DVLA details plans to introduce a new tax on all cars registered on their system, even ones that are not used on the road by their owners. The "Fee Proposals" consultation, which closes on 8 November, claims the new tax is necessary to cover the costs of issuing photo licences to all drivers, as required by the European Union.

An annual fee of £4.50 is proposed on all vehicles kept on the DVLA's computer. For most cars used on the road, this extra tax will be collected with the Vehicle Excise Duty (road tax).

However, it will also apply to disabled drivers, pre-1973 classics and cars kept off road under the SORN (Statutory off Road Notification) regulations.
None of these categories currently pay VED, so this will be an entirely new and separate tax.

"This means that people are going to have to pay tax to keep their own vehicles in their own garage," said ABD spokesman Nigel Humphries. "£4.50 a year may not sound much, in fact it hardly seems worth the DVLA's trouble to collect it where this cannot be done through VED. But it's a dangerous precedent, and a matter of principle. Why should we pay anything for the details of our property merely to be held on someone's computer?"

Enthusiasts often have several cars kept off road -- future projects, possible parts cars, "saved" cars they hope to pass on to others to restore - and they will have to write out and send off a separate cheque for each vehicle every year, as the off-the-road anniversary of registration arises. The DVLA will then have to bank them. That's a lot of trouble and expense for nothing, and how much will the DVLA have left of the money after it has administered this bureaucratic leviathan on behalf of one hapless individual?

"And who is to say that the fee will remain at £4.50?" continued Humphries.
"The government has a long history of introducing taxes at low levels and then increasing them year on year, and people are reluctant to trust their assurances. This new registration tax gives them a mechanism for abolishing VED, adding the cost of this to fuel tax and then increasing the registration fee, automatically wiping out the benefits enjoyed by ultra low mileage classic car owners and disabled drivers alike, as well as creating a punitive charge for those storing cars off road. That is why it is to be resisted."

The ABD calls on the DVLA to see sense and desist from penalising classic car owners, disabled drivers and car collectors with this pointless and bureaucratic system. Motorists pay £36 billion a year to the government in motoring related taxes. If the European Union wants photo licences there is plenty here to pay for it.

The consultation document is available here.

 

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lanciachris

Original Poster:

3,357 posts

263 months

Thursday 30th September 2004
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So err. What the hell is the fee they currently charge to supply a photo driving licence for them????? GAAAAH

b10

1,359 posts

289 months

Thursday 30th September 2004
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How the hell are they going to police it!! The potential costs of policing it could be infinite. Searching garages, lock ups and kitchens with engines in pieces on the kitchen table. "is that an 'A' series I see on your table sunshine??"

TUS 373

5,026 posts

303 months

Thursday 30th September 2004
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Will they accept a pint of my red cells instead, a small patch of skin, or a kidney instead?

How many cubic metres of air do we breathe in a year, and how much will we have to pay for that?

swilly

9,699 posts

296 months

Thursday 30th September 2004
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£4.50

That may be the fee but you can bet it will go up to cover the cost of recieving/processing/banking the £4.50 itself.

Why do they bother with crap like this?

WHy dont these agencies just say........
......."We're crap we couldnt organise a pish up in a brewery and we waste loads of your taxpayers money. We need more, so here is a bil for £xxx"

This is socialism at its best.... "Make everyone equal by making everyone equally poor, equally miserable and equally frucked off"

>> Edited by swilly on Thursday 30th September 10:28

IOLAIRE

1,293 posts

260 months

Thursday 30th September 2004
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I'm afraid some of you still don't see the real evil inherent in this. The Government has given the DVLA real power in a slow, insidious manner and it has become a monster.
They have teams of people who invent these projects to introduce one tax or another; but that's not where the real money comes in. What they actually build into their calculations is non payment.
They KNOW a percentage of people will slip and be caught and they will make a fortune from that.
It is blatantly dishonest and immoral and we should simply refuse to recognise their authority through non payment.

mondeoman

11,430 posts

288 months

Thursday 30th September 2004
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Bogush's "Slippery Slope" comes home to roost.....

tinto

5 posts

280 months

Thursday 30th September 2004
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The biggest joke about all this is send off for your driving photo card and they charge you about a tenner............So whats this all about.

VOTE THIS GOVERMENT OUT, ITS JUST MORE STEALTH TAX ,

ALL MOTORISTS SHOULD VOTE TORY - they offer the mortoist the best treatment .

Graham

16,378 posts

306 months

Thursday 30th September 2004
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reply to the consultaion document and do it now.

i have.

IOLAIRE

1,293 posts

260 months

Thursday 30th September 2004
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mondeoman said:
Bogush's "Slippery Slope" comes home to roost.....


Sorry, I don't know from this if you're being sarcastic, in agreement or just making an observation.
Either way my writings come from over thirty years experience and study.
Consider this; if someone had said to you ten years ago that the DVLA will have the whole British police force at it's disposal, a fleet of detection cameras in vehicles, and the power to seize and crush vehicles, (one of them incidentally a classic Ferrari)simply for not displaying a tax disc, would you have believed them? Or would you be giving them the same sideways glance that you're giving Bogush right now?

t1grm

4,657 posts

306 months

Thursday 30th September 2004
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riceturbo

13 posts

300 months

Thursday 30th September 2004
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And how many more staff will the DVLA take on to administer their latest idea? It will end up like Chairman Ken's congestion charge that costs way more to run thatn what they collect. What will they do then?, start to increase the cost till they have everything paying the same whether it's used or not.

swilly

9,699 posts

296 months

Thursday 30th September 2004
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Have any of you been to the DVLA in Swansea?

I have, I worked in the records dept. one summer years ago whilst a uni. student.

I can tell you it is a commie-socialist fotress, but governed by a trendy-management style lentil-culture.

It was situated in Swansea soley based on the cheap cost of workers and to provide work to the otherwise untalented unemployable pasty-faced local yokels.

Working there is akin to saying you are a cabbage-patch cretin of the highest order.

Apache

39,731 posts

306 months

Thursday 30th September 2004
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All I can say is that the writing has been on the wall for some time now. We need to focus our support for someone who will stand up for us so join the ABD now. Ah sod it, I like buses anyway

IOLAIRE

1,293 posts

260 months

Thursday 30th September 2004
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swilly said:
Have any of you been to the DVLA in Swansea?

I have, I worked in the records dept. one summer years ago whilst a uni. student.

I can tell you it is a commie-socialist fotress, but governed by a trendy-management style lentil-culture.

It was situated in Swansea soley based on the cheap cost of workers and to provide work to the otherwise untalented unemployable pasty-faced local yokels.

Working there is akin to saying you are a cabbage-patch cretin of the highest order.


Thank you Swilly, I have been aware of this for years. These people have outrageous powers and almost no road traffic expertise whatever.
Incidentally, it has nothing to do with commie style or socialist government. It is about unseen, unelected Whitehall power, something far more dangerous.

imperialism2024

1,596 posts

278 months

Thursday 30th September 2004
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lanciachris said:
So err. What the hell is the fee they currently charge to supply a photo driving licence for them????? GAAAAH


yeah over here in the States we pay a good $25 for a photo license, which makes me wonder why they wouldn't just charge you for the license when you get it... i'd think that $25 would more than cover the cost of a license in Britain. i can't see how this tax isn't for some sinister purpose...

kevinday

13,634 posts

302 months

Thursday 30th September 2004
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imperialism2024 said:

lanciachris said:
So err. What the hell is the fee they currently charge to supply a photo driving licence for them????? GAAAAH



yeah over here in the States we pay a good $25 for a photo license, which makes me wonder why they wouldn't just charge you for the license when you get it... i'd think that $25 would more than cover the cost of a license in Britain. i can't see how this tax isn't for some sinister purpose...


We do pay for the licence, £11 I think.

ed.

2,176 posts

260 months

Thursday 30th September 2004
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In Britain we do already pay for photo card licenses (www.dvla.gov.uk/drivers/applydl.htm#cost), this fee is to support the EU, great value for money that is

If only I could emigrate...

gibo993

963 posts

287 months

Thursday 30th September 2004
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Graham said:
reply to the consultaion document and do it now.

i have.


So have I

MADNESS

224 posts

263 months

Thursday 30th September 2004
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So this means that the vehicle in that scrapyard with 4 wheels and an engine capable of moving under its own power will have to be taxed under this new 'poke in the eye'scheme? At what point will a vehicle not be liable to a tax of some description nowadays.

Those lovely classics draped from the walls in nostalgia restruants will also be liable

I will vote for any party that promises to bring back a bit of sanity to living in this Country.

RichardD

3,608 posts

267 months

Thursday 30th September 2004
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imperialism2024 said:

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