RE: Government targets middle lane hogs
RE: Government targets middle lane hogs
Tuesday 12th October 2004

Government targets middle lane hogs

'Keep left unless overtaking' & 'don't hog the middle lane'


At last! Two new safety messages urging motorway drivers to 'Keep Left Unless Overtaking' and 'Don't Hog the Middle Lane' are being piloted on selected motorway message signs on the M1, M6, M18 and M62 for a week, starting yesterday morning. The Highways Agency is testing driver reaction to the messages as part of its campaign to reduce accidents on England's motorways.

Thirty selected motorway message signs will display one of the two messages between 11 - 17 October. Motorway signs in Cheshire, Lancashire, Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, Northamptonshire, Leicestershire and South Yorkshire will be used in the campaign.

Roads minister David Jamieson said: "We are committed to tackling congestion and making our roads safer. Poor lane discipline causes frustration to drivers and can disrupt the flow of traffic.

"We have all seen people on the motorway sitting in the wrong lane and experienced the inconvenience and congestion it causes. Just sticking to the simple rule of staying left unless overtaking could bring real benefits to all road users."

The messages are designed to remind drivers to safely move back into the left lane after overtaking, in accordance with Highway Code rule 238.

Ginny Clarke, the Agency's Chief Highways Engineer, said, "we have chosen the messages 'Keep Left Unless Overtaking' and 'Don't Hog the Middle Lane' to remind drivers of the safe driving advice in the Highway Code. We want drivers to think about how they are using motorway lanes.

"Are they taking care when overtaking, signalling in good time and keeping a safe distance between their vehicle and others? Or are they spending too long in the middle or outside lanes, and causing frustration to other drivers when they could safely return to an inside lane?"

Section 238 of the Highway Code advises motorway drivers to keep in a left-hand lane unless they are overtaking slower-moving vehicles. Drivers are told to return to the left hand lane after completing the overtaking manoeuvre or if they are holding up traffic behind them.

The results of the week-long trial will be studied by the Highways Agency. The Agency will then consider how safety messages such as 'Keep Left Unless Overtaking' and 'Don't Hog the Middle Lane' can be used most effectively on its road network.

However, it's only for a week, and it's only 30 signs out of the total of 2,000, but at least it's a start.

Thanks to middlelanemorons.com for the pic.

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gtrclive

Original Poster:

4,193 posts

305 months

Tuesday 12th October 2004
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And about Time to. They have been talking about it for long enough....

TVRinBFG

1,459 posts

306 months

Tuesday 12th October 2004
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Drove Leeds to Manchester to Birmingham yesterday and didn't notice any difference. I suspect that people in the middle lane ain't aware of there being any signs at the sides of the motorway.

It's a welcome idea though!

Dan

1,068 posts

306 months

Tuesday 12th October 2004
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About foppin time too.

Why is this only on selected roads it should be all motorways and dual carriageways.

There is no point in adding more lanes to highways if everyone ends up using the last two cos of these morons.

Rik A

51 posts

295 months

Tuesday 12th October 2004
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Good start. Now how about banning HGVs from overtaking on dual carriageways? Ever been stuck behind one passing another with a speed didderence of 1 mph? Oh so common on the A14 twixt Cambridge and the A1. Aaaargh!

mrmaggit

10,146 posts

270 months

Tuesday 12th October 2004
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Rik A said:
Good start. Now how about banning HGVs from overtaking on dual carriageways? Ever been stuck behind one passing another with a speed didderence of 1 mph? Oh so common on the A14 twixt Cambridge and the A1. Aaaargh!


That old Elephant Racing chestnut again!

andy43

12,440 posts

276 months

Tuesday 12th October 2004
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No, no, no, the middle lane is by far the best place to be - that fast lane is far too quick, what with all those BMWs, and have you tried the left-hand lane recently - I know I haven't - it's apparently far too bumpy with all those trucks using it - the caravans start to tramline in the slow lane 'cos of the trucks wearing the road out.
Best to pick one of the middle lanes (if there's four lanes, go for the third from the left), keep in it at a nice steady speed - all that weaving from lane to lane/indicator stuff is far too racey, stick to say 65 mph speedo speed (actual speed about 58) and make sure you've got your fog lights on as well - be safe be seen.
Let's be careful out there.

imperialism2024

1,596 posts

278 months

Tuesday 12th October 2004
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don't get your hopes up. keeping people from hogging the passing lanes is unenforcable. most states here have laws regarding "pass left, stay right", but the only people who will get pulled over for this are truckers, and even that is a rare event. it is especially bad here in Pennsylvania, because it appears that most drivers have not the slightest clue what "lane discipline" is. i've seen people in, ahem, minivans doing 50 in the left lane where the speed limit is 55. it's ridiculous.

deeen

6,260 posts

267 months

Tuesday 12th October 2004
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mrmaggit said:



That old Elephant Racing chestnut again!


My money's on the elephant.

jam1et

1,536 posts

274 months

Tuesday 12th October 2004
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imperialism2024 said:
don't get your hopes up. keeping people from hogging the passing lanes is unenforcable.


No, it must be enforcable in the UK surely - you could do them for dangerous driving or driving without due car and attention. Well, thats if there were actually enough traffic cops around to do anything, oh, and if they were allowed to actually do anything other than just point lazer guns (thats all they seem to do round my way). Anyway, police wouldnt have to actually book them, just offer a bit of advice or a warning - that should be sufficient in most cases.

Rik A

51 posts

295 months

Tuesday 12th October 2004
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mrmaggit said:


That old Elephant Racing chestnut again!

Aha! So what we need is Elephant sized blue flags?

craploginname

362 posts

276 months

Tuesday 12th October 2004
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Why don't we just make it legal to pass in whatever bloody lane we want? As long as everyone watches their mirrors it shouldn't be a problem should it?

anonymous-user

76 months

Tuesday 12th October 2004
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craploginname said:
As long as everyone watches their mirrors it shouldn't be a problem should it?
I spot a flaw in that plan...

deeen

6,260 posts

267 months

Tuesday 12th October 2004
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craploginname said:
Why don't we just make it legal to pass in whatever bloody lane we want? As long as everyone watches their mirrors it shouldn't be a problem should it?


Works in USA

Chuggaboom

1,152 posts

270 months

Tuesday 12th October 2004
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Well its about time summit was done !!!

Better still...get the umarked police cars with cameras in the 3rd lane snapping pictures of middle lane hoggers and no cars in the 1st lane for 200 yards ahead...and zap...fixed penalty notice in the post.

Soon change pepes ideas about middle lane sitting !


And why not ban anything with more than 4 tyres touching the ground from the 3rd lane !!!

craploginname

362 posts

276 months

Tuesday 12th October 2004
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LexSport said:

craploginname said:
As long as everyone watches their mirrors it shouldn't be a problem should it?

I spot a flaw in that plan...


I dunno, the way numpty lane hoggers drive, they've no intention of moving back into lane 1 within the next 20 miles so why worry about them moving over as you undertake. I watch my mirrors and do a thorough all round check when I do this making sure I have the hard shoulder as a clear escape route.

jam1et

1,536 posts

274 months

Tuesday 12th October 2004
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deeen said:

craploginname said:
Why don't we just make it legal to pass in whatever bloody lane we want? As long as everyone watches their mirrors it shouldn't be a problem should it?

Works in USA

Does it? I wonder what their accident rate is like on freeways? And they're used to it, can you imagine the confusion if it was introduced over hear. I just always kinda thought its one less thing to go wrong if you only have people over taking on one side rather than both.....

>> Edited by jam1et on Tuesday 12th October 12:21

TURBOSEI

204 posts

262 months

Tuesday 12th October 2004
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Safe motorway/dual-carriageway driving also involves looking and indicating before changing lane. If this is done then overtaking on either side should be a safe activity.

It's just as important to look left when returning to a left-hand lane as it is to look right when moving out to overtake.

It's possibly safer to undertake a numpty than negotiate a maneouvre out to the outside lane and back to the inside lange just to pass them.

craploginname

362 posts

276 months

Tuesday 12th October 2004
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It always seems mind boggling to me that when you're travelling down lane 1 of a deserted motorway and approach a middle lane driver, you indicate and move all the way over to lane 3 to pass, then indicate and move all the way back to lane 1 on completion but they still sit there despite you having just demonstrated to them how much you had to go out of your way to complete the move? They still sit there so that the next driver has to do the same thing.

zebedee

4,593 posts

300 months

Tuesday 12th October 2004
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I will usually signal left as soon as I am alongside them, if enough clear road ahead maybe I will glance across at them, keep signalling, make sure you are a few feet clear of the front of their car (and no numpties are undertaking!) then turn in hard to the left hand lane.

Usually wakes them up and you see them drift back to where they should be - but me and the following beemer both did the same to some idiot on the M40 on saturday but they still just sat there

hendry

1,945 posts

304 months

Tuesday 12th October 2004
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I'm against allowing overtaking in whichever lane you want, as the system we have today would work perfectly well if it wasn't for middle lane hoggers. With numpty drivers and speed cameras I have enough to concentrate on without having to keep looking backwards to work out which side of my car faster moving traffic is coming from.

All that said, and although I welcome the sign initiative, this is a small concession in our favour compared to all the stuff the government piles against us. And is it enforceable? Sure, there is law to enforce it but with traffic patrol budgets slashed in favour of big purchase orders to Gatso, where are the plod to leap on and warn those who actually hog the middle lane (or drive pissed, or without MoTs and insurance, or tailgate...)?

>> Edited by hendry on Tuesday 12th October 12:56