Crime on the increase
Discussion
Absolutely shocking crime figures;-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_2122000/2122794.stm
Just take a look. So "speed kills" does it? yeah, what about the increase in murder & attempted murder? ho ho. How we laughed...
rgds.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_2122000/2122794.stm
Just take a look. So "speed kills" does it? yeah, what about the increase in murder & attempted murder? ho ho. How we laughed...
rgds.
Blimey!
Serious crime seems to be making a serious upturn there thats a bit savage! Nice one Tone I see your consistent underfunding of the Police has done the trick! Interesting though that solicitation is up 60%, could this be in any way linked to the rising cost of headache tablets?
Matt.
Serious crime seems to be making a serious upturn there thats a bit savage! Nice one Tone I see your consistent underfunding of the Police has done the trick! Interesting though that solicitation is up 60%, could this be in any way linked to the rising cost of headache tablets?
Matt.
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Just heard on the news that one of the biggest increases in crime was found in the London bourogh of Lambeth, apparently one of the government's trial areas for the relaxation of the drugs laws, funny that, eh!
Perhaps thats because Lambeth police are now concentrating on proper crime?
Matt.
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Just heard on the news that one of the biggest increases in crime was found in the London bourogh of Lambeth, apparently one of the government's trial areas for the relaxation of the drugs laws, funny that, eh!
Perhaps thats because Lambeth police are now concentrating on proper crime?
Matt.
Proper crime i.e. Speeders? Motorists?
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Just heard on the news that one of the biggest increases in crime was found in the London bourogh of Lambeth, apparently one of the government's trial areas for the relaxation of the drugs laws, funny that, eh!
Perhaps thats because Lambeth police are now concentrating on proper crime?
Matt.
bravo!!! A man with common sense! >> Edited by Richard92c2 on Friday 12th July 09:46
I'd hate to be living in Bristol now - the (Crack) related drug crime there has shot through the roof. Bloke on Radio 5 this morning said there's not much point in having a car stereo in certain areas as it's gonna get stolen.
Vigilantism is on the up too.
But to end on a brighter note, bravo Manchester - all aspects of crime decreased for the first time in donkeys years.
Vigilantism is on the up too.
But to end on a brighter note, bravo Manchester
- all aspects of crime decreased for the first time in donkeys years.quote:I knew my leaving there would have an effect eventually.
But to end on a brighter note, bravo Manchester
The thing is this. IMO the media has precipitated this rise in crime.
When the media bang on about economic gloom, they cause further economic gloom by spreading pessimism. When stories about an upturn arrive and gather momentum, the market follows.
The media campaign over the last 12 months has basically said "Crime is easier to get away with than ever at the moment." and so it becomes more prevalent as it is perceived to be an easier than ever option for the feckless, immoral, helpless and desperate.
And Blair's gonna be choking on his words by the end of the year because there is no end in sight, what with the wooly liberalism, centralisation and burocracy that Blair's presided over. September is not gonna be his month.
Tony Bliar talks shite.
"Tough on crime and tough on the causes if crime"
Bollocks.
Tony Martin is tough on crime and look where he is.
And I'd like to be tough on the ****wit that did an amateur job trying to break into my mothers SL on monday, £1,400 of damage and he didn't even get inside the vehicle. Gave the police the reg number of the scrotes car, will they let me know where the little ****er lives. Hell no. That would be too easy and stop the little barsteward from breaking into another 20 vehicles a week for the rest of his drugged up little life.
Write to your MP, we have a right to know who's
with our property, lets get together and put these little scrotes out of their drugged up misery.
DAZ
"Tough on crime and tough on the causes if crime"
Bollocks.
Tony Martin is tough on crime and look where he is.
And I'd like to be tough on the ****wit that did an amateur job trying to break into my mothers SL on monday, £1,400 of damage and he didn't even get inside the vehicle. Gave the police the reg number of the scrotes car, will they let me know where the little ****er lives. Hell no. That would be too easy and stop the little barsteward from breaking into another 20 vehicles a week for the rest of his drugged up little life.
Write to your MP, we have a right to know who's
with our property, lets get together and put these little scrotes out of their drugged up misery. DAZ
Resolving a number plate to a Name & Address of registered keeper is a trivial matter these days..
problem is a scrote ain't gonna register with his own name & address.
And if you have that problem finding him, you can bet plod will have shrugged his shoulders when coming up against the same hurdle.
problem is a scrote ain't gonna register with his own name & address.
And if you have that problem finding him, you can bet plod will have shrugged his shoulders when coming up against the same hurdle.
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but Tony Blair says we should 'judge' him on the crime figures.
I think he said that he would have street crime under control by september, so lets be fair - he's got 7 weeks left to sort it!
What really upsets me is that we (not me!) voted this w
r in.....twice Still at least he manages to lock up the worst criminals (speeding bikers!)
I know its not much consolation to you guys but the Police are trying to crack down on the people that steal from us and assault us.
It is not a problem at grass roots within the Police Service to get to grips with the problems that are happening.
Police work is basically quite simple. Most of it is common sense and forwards planning.
The problem comes when Politicians and managers get involved. There are an ever growing number of responsibilities that are thrust on the shoulders of the Police service by the Govt.
They do not seek to increase the resources accordingly in comparison with the problems that occur. They merely instruct the managers to spread the veneer a bit thinner. This gives the problem an initial impetus to start with and generally a small reduction, but at the expense of other areas where resources are removed to cover the latest most serious problem.
I cannot remember in my service so far having as much new legislation thrust through the statute books as is happening at the moment.
Nothing however falls off the end
Take street robbery ( the using or threatening of violence before or in order to steal).
This has got out of control purely because it is much less of a risk than breaking into property and stealing. Many people now carry valuable items with them as everyday necessities. It is far easier and quicker to use or threaten violence to obtain the property that they desire and the escape routes are unlimited.
Not only this but the penalties that are awarded for being caught are derisory to say the least.
Many of the people that are sent to prison, suffer no real hardship as a result. Some are even better off in that environment. They get to mix with like minded people, are fed and clothed and kept warm. They are not made to work and can just sit around whiling their sentences away.
Into the bargain, people like the Lord Chief Justice ( Lord Woolfe) are urging the Govt not to send people to jail, but to give them community sentences like tagging and curfews.
These do not stop those that are so affected from practicing their trade, they merely adapt to some other method or change the times they operate to comply with the curfews
Many do not bother to comply with them at all. Frequent visits are made at all hours of the clock to those that are subject of these measures, but failing the allocation of an official 24 hours a day, have only a limited effect.
IF THEY ARE BANGED UP THEY CANNOT BE ANYWHERE ELSE.
There is a very serious problem brewing for society. There is an ever increasing number of illegal immigrants entering the country, many of whom come from criminal routes and sources from eatsern Europe and the middle East.
These countries have draconian measures for dealing with crime. They are not stupid to realise that one of the richest economies in the world will offer them huge opportunity to operate and should they get captured in the process, the due forces of law will not remove parts of their anatomy or swing them from gallows.
I see it day in day out, large numbers of immigrants cruising shopping precincts where there is safety in numbers and numbers confuse the security measures employed to stop theft. They empty small shops and department store of goods under swathes of clothing and then share the proceeds out still within the precinct areas.
Many of these people have designer clothing and all have mobile phones. They are very adept at scams of all kinds.
Apart from this there is the very serious drug problem that has already been discussed.
The Govt are really at a loss as to how to combat it.
The way things are going at the moment is only the tip of the Iceburg.
I heard someone on TV being interviewed last night in one of the most badly affected areas in London.
he said " You never see a Policeman walking the street here. You just see them and hear their sirens as they tear past"
I wonder what he thought they were doing as they were tearing past. They certainly weren't tearing past to refit the next lot of film in a safety camera.
Until Govt do something really positive and someone within Govt stands up to be counted with some very real controversial ideas to make the criminals really think the risk outweighs the gain, then I am afraid it will not be too far away before everybody has bars over their windows and will not be able to walk the streets without some sort of protection.
This is obviously a personal view but comes from the heart of the problem itself.
The Police in my view no longer provide a service.
They only just manage to provide a response some of the time.
It is not a problem at grass roots within the Police Service to get to grips with the problems that are happening.
Police work is basically quite simple. Most of it is common sense and forwards planning.
The problem comes when Politicians and managers get involved. There are an ever growing number of responsibilities that are thrust on the shoulders of the Police service by the Govt.
They do not seek to increase the resources accordingly in comparison with the problems that occur. They merely instruct the managers to spread the veneer a bit thinner. This gives the problem an initial impetus to start with and generally a small reduction, but at the expense of other areas where resources are removed to cover the latest most serious problem.
I cannot remember in my service so far having as much new legislation thrust through the statute books as is happening at the moment.
Nothing however falls off the end
Take street robbery ( the using or threatening of violence before or in order to steal).
This has got out of control purely because it is much less of a risk than breaking into property and stealing. Many people now carry valuable items with them as everyday necessities. It is far easier and quicker to use or threaten violence to obtain the property that they desire and the escape routes are unlimited.
Not only this but the penalties that are awarded for being caught are derisory to say the least.
Many of the people that are sent to prison, suffer no real hardship as a result. Some are even better off in that environment. They get to mix with like minded people, are fed and clothed and kept warm. They are not made to work and can just sit around whiling their sentences away.
Into the bargain, people like the Lord Chief Justice ( Lord Woolfe) are urging the Govt not to send people to jail, but to give them community sentences like tagging and curfews.
These do not stop those that are so affected from practicing their trade, they merely adapt to some other method or change the times they operate to comply with the curfews
Many do not bother to comply with them at all. Frequent visits are made at all hours of the clock to those that are subject of these measures, but failing the allocation of an official 24 hours a day, have only a limited effect.
IF THEY ARE BANGED UP THEY CANNOT BE ANYWHERE ELSE.
There is a very serious problem brewing for society. There is an ever increasing number of illegal immigrants entering the country, many of whom come from criminal routes and sources from eatsern Europe and the middle East.
These countries have draconian measures for dealing with crime. They are not stupid to realise that one of the richest economies in the world will offer them huge opportunity to operate and should they get captured in the process, the due forces of law will not remove parts of their anatomy or swing them from gallows.
I see it day in day out, large numbers of immigrants cruising shopping precincts where there is safety in numbers and numbers confuse the security measures employed to stop theft. They empty small shops and department store of goods under swathes of clothing and then share the proceeds out still within the precinct areas.
Many of these people have designer clothing and all have mobile phones. They are very adept at scams of all kinds.
Apart from this there is the very serious drug problem that has already been discussed.
The Govt are really at a loss as to how to combat it.
The way things are going at the moment is only the tip of the Iceburg.
I heard someone on TV being interviewed last night in one of the most badly affected areas in London.
he said " You never see a Policeman walking the street here. You just see them and hear their sirens as they tear past"
I wonder what he thought they were doing as they were tearing past. They certainly weren't tearing past to refit the next lot of film in a safety camera.
Until Govt do something really positive and someone within Govt stands up to be counted with some very real controversial ideas to make the criminals really think the risk outweighs the gain, then I am afraid it will not be too far away before everybody has bars over their windows and will not be able to walk the streets without some sort of protection.
This is obviously a personal view but comes from the heart of the problem itself.
The Police in my view no longer provide a service.
They only just manage to provide a response some of the time.
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