RE: Stamp out 'white van man', says Ford
RE: Stamp out 'white van man', says Ford
Friday 17th December 2004

Stamp out 'white van man', says Ford

Chief of Transits highlights tailgating problem


Naughty, naughty! Chief of Ford's commercial vehicle division Gary Whittam is launching a campaign "to stamp out the scourge of white van man from the country’s roads", referring to the problem of vans tailgating at high speeds.

Whittam is personally taking charge of the new campaign, which he believes is vital both for the van industry and the general public -– although whether companies will stop buying Ford vans just because too many of their drivers don't feel responsible for the consequences is questionable.

Whittam will be talking to fleets about how to tackle the issue. He said: "The problem of white van man -- or should I say person -- needs addressing and it is a matter I take very seriously. This problem has largely been tackled and eradicated in the heavy truck sector and now my team will be looking at how we can improve the image of Britain’s van drivers and give them a more professional outlook."

Whittam said there was no magic solution to the problem and he was looking at a long-term campaign, but he added: "We have to do something about it. We still see too many people in vans driving six feet behind the vehicle in front, with the contents of half a wardrobe and a half-eaten Big Mac on the dashboard."

Pressed on what exactly the Ford team would be doing in practical terms, Whittam said: "The first thing to do is start talking about the problem. By making people aware that it exists, maybe we can get the ball rolling."

Secondly, Ford will be extending its training programme for minibus drivers to encourage a better standard of driving, while thirdly, Whittam will be talking to some of the country’s fleet operators in a bid to set up some kind of incentive scheme for drivers to act more responsibly.

He is aware that many of the worst drivers are behind the wheels of company-owned vehicles and that they drive badly because they do not feel responsible as the vehicles do not belong to them.

But Whittam said, "Safer driving not only means using less fuel and saving money on replacement parts for the fleet operator, but it means other road users will be safer too. If we can encourage company drivers with an incentive scheme, then everyone will benefit.

"I do not have a magic wand I can wave to eradicate the problem, but I feel I must at least make a stand and try and help."

Anniversary of the Ford Transit

Meanwhile, the Transit celebrates its 40th birthday. To commemorate, Ford is launching three special editions. First launched in 1965, there were originally 78 Transit derivatives – now there are over 500.

For 2005, Ford is a launching "special value" models:

  • Transit Leader, a lead-in model complete with CD/radio, the Transit SilverBlue, with an added executive comfort pack
  • Transit Hallmark, with air and executive packs, the Transit Connect LXPlus with a comfort/ convenience pack, side loading door and metallic paint
  • Transit Connect Hallmark, complete with air conditioning.

The new models will be available from late January and prices will be announced nearer launch.

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windsorrob

Original Poster:

784 posts

274 months

Friday 17th December 2004
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I travel on Motorways a lot and dispite not hanging around and ( hey - My beemer only knows lane 3 !), constantly come across this problem.

To me, this just reinforces the current non sensical approach to policing our roads. A camera will catch me, doing maybe 85 - 90 on a deserted M'way, but because this is all the government is interested in, there are no longer sufficient traffic police around to see the idiots in vans or cars that drive 6ft from your bumber - this is dangerous at any speed !

If the government is concerned about this, they only have themselves to blame.

raftom

1,298 posts

283 months

Friday 17th December 2004
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to Ford.

Balmoral Green

42,554 posts

270 months

Friday 17th December 2004
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Surely all they have to do is delete white from the range of available colours. Instant solution.

cdp

8,017 posts

276 months

Friday 17th December 2004
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windsorrob said:

hey - My beemer only knows lane 3 !


BMW drivers only ever know lane 3, even when travelling slower than everybody else.

Why do they think nobody lets them out of junctions?

jmorgan

36,010 posts

306 months

Friday 17th December 2004
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hmph. I drive vans. Whilst I agree that white van man as described is a pain, they are not the only scourge on the road. Maybe ford should aim its campaign at the car drivers as well.

Podie

46,647 posts

297 months

Friday 17th December 2004
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Ford said:

STAMP OUT 'WHITE VAN MAN'


Ford should have said:

… we sell other colours too…



havoc

32,522 posts

257 months

Friday 17th December 2004
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To be fair, the guy did single out drivers of "company owned vehicles", as they don't feel responsible for them...

I'd say this applies to co. cars as well, as they often have no or a small excess, and there's no insurance penalty from having an accident and losing your NCB.

And it's absolutely right - if it's your car, P&J or not, you do tend to be rather reluctant to risk bumping it...but if it's someone else's, it becomes someone else's problem...

crankedup

25,764 posts

265 months

Friday 17th December 2004
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Well said FORD Motor Co, hope you enjoy an element of success.
We do seem to be uncer a huge welter of new anititives lately, some good news whilst others are plain daft. Election time looms.

wedg1e

27,002 posts

287 months

Friday 17th December 2004
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havoc said:

And it's absolutely right - if it's your car, P&J or not, you do tend to be rather reluctant to risk bumping it...but if it's someone else's, it becomes someone else's problem...


True on the whole, but there are some of us who give a sh!t. My Connect was in for a service yesterday; the squaddies at Ford looked at me as though I was mad when I asked (well, virtually TOLD) them NOT to wash it. All they'd do is bang it through a car wash and it'd come out looking like it had been Brillo padded (if that's a word )
I wash it by hand... yes, even though it's a company van.

The only time I sit 6 feet from anyone's rear bumper is for the split-second before I overtake them, usually because I'm arsed-off with them driving like grandad - or they've finally got their BMW/Merc/Audi out of lane 3...

I lust after the power of a Mercedes Sprinter. Those are the vans that, to me, seem to be the biggest culprits for bumper-humping.
Incidentally, spare a thought for us van drivers: some of us aren't really twats - and not all vans are just used for freight, we have to be somewhere else with a job to do, and you lot are slowing us down...


Must go, got a van to wash...

Ian

king arthur

7,571 posts

283 months

Friday 17th December 2004
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Maybe Mr. Whittam hasn't seen this...

www.sirc.org/publik/white_van_man.html

Particularly take note of the view of emergency services of WVM.

skinny

5,269 posts

257 months

Friday 17th December 2004
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why only ford? are peugeot boxer etc. drivers inherently more considerate for some reason?

havoc

32,522 posts

257 months

Friday 17th December 2004
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Wedg1e - like all stereotypes, there are SOME that break the rule. But you just get treated like the rest unfortunately. Think 3-series drivers?!? I've actually seen a few really courteous and competent ones...but you don't comment on them, do you???

Me - i'm an accountant. Everyone assumes I'm boring and wear sleeveless jumpers. Not drive a hardcore car around track and go to heavy-metal concerts, dance clubs, and to watch comedians like Mark Howard!!! I suspect most people get pigeonholed wrongly at some point...the trick is to spot it and either live with it or deflect it.

Skinny - I suspect it's because the Tranny is synonymous with white-van man, and Ford saw an opportunity for publicity.

full_chat

286 posts

298 months

Friday 17th December 2004
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My local police use white transits, all be it with some stickers and a blue light on....

Dakkon

7,827 posts

275 months

Friday 17th December 2004
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Balmoral Green said:
Surely all they have to do is delete white from the range of available colours. Instant solution.


Yup, don't sell white vans

Yugguy

10,728 posts

257 months

Friday 17th December 2004
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I dunno, I had a transit for the weekend recently, and this involved 300 miles of motorway driving and a lot of town too. The number of people who suicidely cut you up cos they think you're only doing 20 when you're really doing 30 amazed me, as did the number of idiots in 1.0 and 1.2 Micras and the like who would try crazed overtaking manouveres that they didn't have the power for, despite the fact that I'd be going at the NSL or a little bit above, same speed as I would in my car.

shadowninja

79,206 posts

304 months

Friday 17th December 2004
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havoc said:


Me - i'm an accountant. Everyone assumes I'm boring and wear sleeveless jumpers. Not drive a hardcore car around track and go to heavy-metal concerts, dance clubs, and to watch comedians like Mark Howard!!! I suspect most people get pigeonholed wrongly at some point...the trick is to spot it and either live with it or deflect it.


yeah yeah you say all this but either you put on a brave face to deal with these trackdays, concerts and clubs, and long to be at home buried in the safety of your folders stuffed with company accounts or you're just lying to sound good.

*watches you toy nervously with a loose bit of wool on your cardigan*

*goes back to hiding behind his computer, the geek that he is*

White_van_man

3,848 posts

271 months

Friday 17th December 2004
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thats a bit harsh ford picking on me... iv never done anything to them

DennisTheMenace

15,605 posts

290 months

Friday 17th December 2004
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spaximus

4,363 posts

275 months

Friday 17th December 2004
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They shouldn't make them so fast. This problem will be dealt with to some degree if the EU gets its way. Tachos in vans and limiters are just around the corner.

flooritforever

861 posts

265 months

Friday 17th December 2004
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I drive both a transit and a sprinter at work, and I cannot understand how so many van drivers tailgate like they do. Yeah, so modern vans with modern turbo diesel engines now have performance almost on a par with your average family saloon, but they certainly don't stop as well as a saloon car.

The sprinter in particular is frighteningly hard to stop when loaded, despite the ABS and ESP system that Mercedes claim is so brilliant.

To me, tailgaiting in one of these vehicles is lunacy. All it takes is one mistake, and you will kill somebody.

If Ford want to help get rid of this idiotic behaviour, then more power to them!