RE: Most of us can't change a wheel
RE: Most of us can't change a wheel
Tuesday 25th January 2005

Most of us can't change a wheel

Survey finds minor car maintenance is a declining sport


Cars are becoming more like black boxes that take experts to maintain. Even changing a tyre is too much for most motorists -- especially in Scotland, though they might be excused because of the colder climate.

Such is the finding of a survey undertaken by Saga Motoring Assistance, as it attempts to drum up trade from drivers who are no longer in the first flush of youth.

Apparently, some 44 per cent of those surveyed could not change a tyre, and a similar number don't check what's wrong with their car before calling for help.

And while the Scots languish at the bottom of the self-help table, those in the south-west sit proudly at the top.

Reports say that of the 1,935 adults surveyed, women are much worse at car maintenance than men, with 69 per cent admitting that they cannot change a faulty lamp bulb and 64 per cent saying they would not know how to change a tyre.

Motoring groups recommend motorists check the oil level once a fortnight, however the research shows that only 13 per cent check this often, 33 per cent check once a month and worryingly 13 per cent only check when the light comes on.

However, PistonHeads is comfortably confident that, if a survey of this site's members were to be held, the results would be reversed. Is that confidence misplaced?

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adrianr

Original Poster:

822 posts

306 months

Tuesday 25th January 2005
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I wonder...

Biggest problem with changing wheels these days is alloys getting corroded onto hubs - you jack it up and undo the bolts and the [deleted] thing still won't come off.

And, the manual for my VW says that it no longer recommends owners attempting to change headlight bulbs as they are now so inaccessible with all the other gubbins in the bonnet.

AdrianR

GCerbera

5,161 posts

273 months

Tuesday 25th January 2005
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Came back from a late night flight in December and got to my wife's car at 1am - flat tyre.

Damn wheel would not budge, embarrassed to have to call the AA, but it took them 15
minutes with a 3 foot extension to get the wheel nuts off.

Blasted garage air guns.

cdp

8,017 posts

276 months

Tuesday 25th January 2005
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adrianr said:
I wonder...

Biggest problem with changing wheels these days is alloys getting corroded onto hubs - you jack it up and undo the bolts and the [deleted] thing still won't come off.

And, the manual for my VW says that it no longer recommends owners attempting to change headlight bulbs as they are now so inaccessible with all the other gubbins in the bonnet.

AdrianR


As it is illegal to drive a car with a blown bulb (even in daylight) doesn't that mean the car has broken down and needs the AA or a tow to a garage?

Frankly ease of changing bulbs should be part of type approval and your car isn't really suited to UK roads. I don't think I will be buying a VW if they are that badly designed.

Actually from the reliablity/satisfaction surveys I don't think I would buy a german car anyhow and will stick to British ones.


busta

4,504 posts

255 months

Tuesday 25th January 2005
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'13% only check the oil when the light comes on'

For christs sake! No wonder so manys people have problems with their cars these days! I suppose when they find a bone dry dip stick they get back in and drive to a garage about 5 miles up the road to put some more in.

Bernie

crankedup

25,764 posts

265 months

Tuesday 25th January 2005
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More a case of why get your hands dirty maybe. After all if your paying for a service why would'nt you use it when needed.

Russ325i

9 posts

256 months

Tuesday 25th January 2005
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what's a wheel?

~russ

>> Edited by Russ325i on Tuesday 25th January 15:42

henrycrun

2,473 posts

262 months

Tuesday 25th January 2005
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peraps fluid checks and wheel changes should be added to the L Test ?

page3

5,137 posts

273 months

Wednesday 26th January 2005
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I remember a question in my Theory Test about what to do it you get a flat tyre. The wrong answer was to change the wheel. The correct one was to call the RAC/AA etc. Pathetic.

Ding

888 posts

272 months

Wednesday 26th January 2005
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My two best friends took to driving a little later in life. So the day after they passed their tests I took them on a 'voyage of discovery' around their cars.
Pointing out the jacking points and showing them how to jack up their cars and change a wheel.
Both agreed that, whilst not interested at the time they thanked me loudly when they both subsequently had punctures. As they would have had no idea about how to even set up the jack.

Oh and putting in petrol. I took them to do this too.

Elizabeth

traction

366 posts

274 months

Wednesday 26th January 2005
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Ding said:
My two best friends took to driving a little later in life. So the day after they passed their tests I took them on a 'voyage of discovery' around their cars.
Pointing out the jacking points and showing them how to jack up their cars and change a wheel.
Both agreed that, whilst not interested at the time they thanked me loudly when they both subsequently had punctures. As they would have had no idea about how to even set up the jack.

Oh and putting in petrol. I took them to do this too.

Elizabeth



Thats why I'm grateful to my driving instructor who during latter lessons got me to pull over, open the bonnet and showed me each of the major components and fluid reservoirs etc. Plus he got me to stop a petrol station and fill up.

His motto was that he was teaching me to drive, not just to pass the test.

This was in 1991, how many instructors do that now (or then) I wonder?

Ta.

MrFlibbles

7,774 posts

305 months

Wednesday 26th January 2005
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traction said:


Thats why I'm grateful to my driving instructor who during latter lessons got me to pull over, open the bonnet and showed me each of the major components and fluid reservoirs etc. Plus he got me to stop a petrol station and fill up.

His motto was that he was teaching me to drive, not just to pass the test.

This was in 1991, how many instructors do that now (or then) I wonder?

Ta.


All of them I hope - isnt that part of the test now?

RichardR

2,904 posts

290 months

Wednesday 26th January 2005
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traction said:
Plus he got me to stop a petrol station and fill up.

This was in 1991, how many instructors do that now (or then) I wonder?
It depends... did he make you pay for the petrol?

cptsideways

13,816 posts

274 months

Wednesday 26th January 2005
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Mrs-sideways can change a tyre in 5 mins or less!! much to the amazement of my neighbour.

Any jobs going in the Ferrari pits

cotty

41,774 posts

306 months

Wednesday 26th January 2005
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adrianr said:
Biggest problem with changing wheels these days is alloys getting corroded onto hubs - you jack it up and undo the bolts and the [deleted] thing still won't come off.


Should you not loosen the bolts before jacking the car up.

WildCat

8,369 posts

265 months

Thursday 27th January 2005
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But basic car maintenance und understanding has always been part of L/est in Germany. It was on my test - but my parents insisted I knew und fully understood how car und engine worked before they would pay or contrubute to paying for lessons.

As for the Theory test answer about calling for help...think this may have been if on busy road.

From my son's brainwashing book on learner driving:

"If on busy road - ist safer to call for assistance than risk an accident"

Ev_

190 posts

285 months

Thursday 27th January 2005
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This, of course, is how the AA can claim it fixes 9 out of 10 breakdowns at the roadside - most of its call-outs are just flat tyres.

cdp

8,017 posts

276 months

Thursday 27th January 2005
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busta said:
'13% only check the oil when the light comes on'

For christs sake! No wonder so manys people have problems with their cars these days! I suppose when they find a bone dry dip stick they get back in and drive to a garage about 5 miles up the road to put some more in.

Bernie


A former collegue once pulled a rusty dipstick from the engine of his Fiat Panda!

Fiats rust in places other cars don't usually rust.

turbo tim

20,467 posts

253 months

Friday 28th January 2005
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cotty said:

adrianr said:
Biggest problem with changing wheels these days is alloys getting corroded onto hubs - you jack it up and undo the bolts and the [deleted] thing still won't come off.



Should you not loosen the bolts before jacking the car up.


Yes, but either way, if the wheels corroded onto the hub, even with all the bolts out, the bloomin' thing still wont come off (this also happened to me, resulting in a call to the AA - very embarrasing )

LongQ

13,864 posts

255 months

Friday 28th January 2005
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turbo tim said:


Yes, but either way, if the wheels corroded onto the hub, even with all the bolts out, the bloomin' thing still wont come off (this also happened to me, resulting in a call to the AA - very embarrasing )


The ever growing fleet with alloys can be seriously dangerous in this respect. Most times at least one nut or stud will be a problem. I bought a extra long handled wheel brace as soon as I realised the likely issue on my first car that was alloys equipped.

I hope the guy parked up (with the boot open looking like he was about to start a wheel change) on the non-existent hard shoulder in the middle of the roads works on the M25 during the rush hour last Wednesday did not have alloys. He may not have survived since the traffic was still passing at a steady 41 mph.

Perhaps runflat technology should be applied to numpty cars rather than their more expensive kin!

Come to think of it I see many cars around these days - all ages but often older ones - which clearly have run flat capability already!

tim.tonal

2,049 posts

255 months

Sunday 30th January 2005
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I stick a small amount of grease on the mating surfaces of the wheel and hub since I had a wheel corrode itself in place once.

Definitely recommend doing as much maintenance as possible (once the car's out of warranty).

I have saved a small fortune on oil/filter changes, fuel filter, pollen filter, brake pads, etc.

Have even found a bloke that can read and clear ECU/ABS faults for £20. Simply get the fault, replace a sensor and save yourself hundreds!

The art is to be aware of jobs that are too complex for the home mechanic and take it to the professionals when they need doing.