On the Spot fines for Loutish behaviour

[skittle]

On the BBC this morning they explained the new pilot in Birmingham where loutish behaviour will result in an on the spot fine.

The way this is going the Police force will be able to get a listing on the stock exchange

[Podie]

quote:On the BBC this morning they explained the new pilot in Birmingham where loutish behaviour will result in an on the spot fine.

The way this is going the Police force will be able to get a listing on the stock exchange

Yeah, and Essex Police are one of the trial areas - not only do we get one of the most heavy handed forces when it comes to speeding, but now if we leave the car at home and go out on the we could get one for that too...!

I can see the sign now..." Essex: twinned with Alcatraz"

[billb]

what defines loutish behaviour? what happens if u dont have the cash on you? can u appeal / claim its racist etc etc

totally unworkable seems to me.

Thinking of paying all my wage to northants police and then they can give me the occasional allowance for food and water every few months...would be easier at this rate

[Podie]

You get given a ticket - like you would if you'd been caught speeding... and you get a week or so to pay it - or challenge it in court...!

[Neil Menzies]

Of course, since people don't have registration numbers...

Name? Mr Tony Blair
Address? Downing Street.
OK, thats £40 by next friday or you're nicked.

[Podie]

quote:
Of course, since people don't have registration numbers...

Name? Mr Tony Blair
Address? Downing Street.
OK, thats £40 by next friday or you're nicked.

Euan Blair might be more likely...!

[Dazren]

Can I add it to my motoring fines monthly standing order?

DAZ

[Guy Humpage]

They were saying on the wireless that if you couldn't identify yourself then they'd just arrest you instead.

[billb]

quote:
They were saying on the wireless that if you couldn't identify yourself then they'd just arrest you instead.

yeah but whats to stop u giving a false name??

[jmorgan]

quote:
They were saying on the wireless that if you couldn't identify yourself then they'd just arrest you instead.

So its back to square one then. Who carries ID with them?

[Podie]

quote:
what defines loutish behaviour?

Called being a "drunk student" isn't it?

[apache]

I think it will be an administrative nightmare for them

[Podie]

quote:
I think it will be an administrative nightmare for them

Well at least they can afford it (from the revenue earning "speed" cmaeras!)

[M@H]

quote:

quote:
what defines loutish behaviour?

Called being a "drunk student" isn't it?

just "Student" I thought.....

[Bodo]

In GDR, they were used to charge nonconform (not politically, but for being conspicuous in public) people for rowdyism

[CarZee]

Thing is, for them to mete out this 'instant justice', surely a copper must witness any incident first hand. They can't issue a fixed penalty just because some numpty who doesn't like the cut of your jib tells a copper you're being anti-social - it would never stick if it came to court.

After all, they can't issue you with a speeding ticket (FPN) just because Mrs Cardigan from No 31 says you were driving a bit fast last night.

And while there are apparently only 3 policemen left in the UK, (one of them's on holiday and the other two are here somewhere.. ) what are the chances of getting one slapped on you?

Bunch of spin-over-substance shite IMO. It'll be interesting to see how many Fixed Pisshead Notices are served in the first year.. Not many I'll wager.

BTW Am I the only one who finds the Subject title easy to misread as 'On the Spot fines for Lotus behaviour'?


>> Edited by CarZee on Monday 12th August 16:29

[relaxitscool]

I think this is to tackle amongst other things, the offence of Drunk and Disorderly.

If a police officer thinks you're drunk and sees you swearing, urinating or generally doing anything that a reasonable person would find disorderly, you can be arrested for being Drunk and Disorderly in a Public Place.

Normally you're taken to the local nick to sober up and booted out in the morning with a Verbal Caution if you have no previous convictions or a date at the local Magistrates if you have.

The tickets are a bad idea IMO. Under PACE, Police can not interview or charge people who are unfit to be interviewed or charged. Clearly, if a person is drunk, they are not fit to be dealt with in the aforementioned manner. So what's the difference when issuing a ticket??
Also, if that person is able to receive a Verbal caution its suddenly going to cost them £40 when before all they would have got was a bed for the night and inky fingers in the morning...

Regarding giving false details or refusing to give your name. In this case you'd just be arrested as normal. However, I think you are thinking about section 25 of PACE which gives a power of arrest when a person has committed a summary offence (for arguments sake, traffic ticket) but refuses to give details or the officer believes the details given are false.

Rob



>> Edited by relaxitscool on Monday 12th August 16:36

[relaxitscool]

quote:
Thing is, for them to mete out this 'instant justice', surely a copper must witness any incident first hand. They can't issue a fixed penalty just because some numpty who doesn't like the cut of your jib tells a copper you're being anti-social - it would never stick if it came to court.

Quite right, it has to be found committing, i.e witnessed by the cop.

[plotloss]

Is it still the case that you only HAVE to give your name to a Superintendant or above?

Matt.

[relaxitscool]

If you have committed an offence you can either be arrested or reported on summons. Clearly when you're arrested you have no choice but to give your name and address.

However, if you are reported on summons verified details and an address is needed in order to serve the summons. If the officer (any rank) believes the details given are false, or details are refused, that person can be arrested under Section 25 of PACE. Once verified details are given they're released from custody.

Rob