RE: New Saleen S7 turbo cranks 700bhp
RE: New Saleen S7 turbo cranks 700bhp
Thursday 21st July 2005

New Saleen S7 turbo cranks 700bhp

Massive power and torque get to 60mph in 2.8 seconds


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Saleen has boosted -- quite literally -- the power of its already PDQ S7 supercar, with the launch of the S7 Twin Turbo.

By adding a pair of Garrett turbochargers, it now boasts a stunning 750bhp at 6,300rpm and 700lb-ft of torque at 4,800rpm. In a car weighing just 1,340Kg, the result is eye-watering performance: 2.8 seconds for zero to 60mph -- and we don't think they've measured the top speed yet...

When it went on sale in 2002, the S7 was the only street-legal car in the US with more than 500bhp and 500lb-ft of torque. At the time, it was dubbed by US magazines as the fastest production car in the world. But during the past three years, the automobile marketplace has witnessed an explosion of performance with models from manufacturers including Ferrari, Lamborghini, Mercedes-Benz, Porsche and Chevrolet touting power numbers above the once magic 500 level.

The turbocharging of the S7 is the car's first major change, although aerodynamics have also come under scrutiny for 2005. Unless you place the new S7 Twin Turbo next to one of the original 2002 models, you probably won’t notice that the 2005 version has a different diffuser/rear spoiler package and reshaped front bumpers. The S7 chassis has also undergone a fair amount of tweaking, with almost every suspension pickup point changed. The suspension geometry has been modified too, for less squat and dive during acceleration and braking.

Engine and drive train

Saleen reckoned that the S7's engine and drive train incorporate the latest in modern racing technology. The new all-aluminium V8 engine casting was engineered and tooled by Saleen to displace seven litres with a redline of 6,500rpm. Space age materials and engineering are used throughout, including stainless steel valves, titanium retainers, beryllium exhaust valve seats, aluminium throttle body and CNC-machined cylinder heads, and a stainless steel exhaust system.

The compact V8 incorporates a Saleen-designed side-mounted water pump, a belt-driven camshaft drive and dry sump oil delivery system. The engine's mid-chassis placement both optimises weight distribution and centre of gravity, and makes room for an unusually tall engine that allows for a very efficient induction system. Air enters a roof intake, passes through a 90-mm mass air meter and feeds into a carbon fibre plenum. From the plenum the air is routed to the twin ball bearing turbos, is pressurised to 5.5psi max and then passes through an oval-bore throttle body into an aluminium intake manifold with eight individual runners.

To feed juice to this setup, the injection system includes dual electric fuel pumps and high-capacity, return-less, 52 lb/hr fuel injectors. Engineered into the S7’s stainless steel, dual, high-flow exhaust system are two, twin-ball-bearing, water-cooled Saleen-Garrett turbos, featuring 44-mm waste-gates. The four exhaust pipes from each bank of cylinders merge into a race-car-like high-efficiency collector. In addition, the exhaust incorporates dual catalysts per cylinder bank. And because Saleen believes in power and clean air, the emission control system features dual, heated oxygen sensors per cylinder bank and a high-volume evaporative emission system along with those four catalysts.

Saleen also said the stroke of the already short-stroke shifter has been furthered shortened for improved shifting feel.

Chassis, suspension and brakes

The Saleen S7 architecture begins with a race-experience influenced, spaceframe chassis to which honeycomb composite reinforcing is grafted. The body is structural, aerospace-quality, autoclave carbon fibre.

Suspension is via fully independent unequal-length double wishbones with coil-over springs, lightweight aluminium dampers and anti-roll bars front and rear. The uprights at each corner are CNC-machined billet aluminium, flow-through designs that use air to help cool the bearings.

Chassis tuning also includes revised shock valving front and rear. Brembo lightweight aluminium six-piston mono-block calipers are fitted front and rear.

Geometry changes, along with new tyres, result in about a massive 30 per cent increase in mechanical grip. Yet the 2005 car is fitted with taller tyres, 275/35 R19s up front and 335/30 R20s at the rear, replacing the 275/30 R19s and 345/25 R20s fitted to the normally aspirated S7. While the Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires have higher aspect ratios, they also lay tyre patches that are nearly an inch wider up front and almost 1.5 inches wider at the rear.

Exterior and interior

The S7’s shape was derived from wind tunnel work, with targets including a low coefficient of drag, optimum drag-to-lift ratio, and extreme downforce. The S7 has full-tray body sculpting underneath.

For the 2005 S7 Twin Turbo, the redesigned front and rear diffusers, along with the new rear spoiler, result in a 40 percent reduction in aero drag and a 60 per cent increase in down force -- very cunning.

The S7 has front and rear trunks and comes with Mulholland Brothers custom-made, three-piece, fitted luggage. In true supercar style, the doors open up and away from the body.

Seats and other interior surfaces are covered in elegant leather and suede. Air conditioning, power windows, power door locks with remote keyless opening for the doors and both trunks, an electric-headed front windscreen, variable intermittent wipers, a leather-wrapped steering wheel and an AM/FM/CD/DVD/TV system are all standard. The Saleen S7 also has one unique interior feature: a video camera instead of a rear view mirror.

And the price? Almost churlish to mention the mere $555,000 (£317,200) it will set you back.

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r988

Original Poster:

7,495 posts

251 months

Thursday 21st July 2005
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So it goes as good as it looks then, nothing exceeds like excess.
:lick::lick::lick::lick::lick::lick::lick::lick:

lap_time

339 posts

249 months

Thursday 21st July 2005
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Say what??? so much for Koeniggsegg then...

4WD

2,289 posts

253 months

Thursday 21st July 2005
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I like it. Not sure if I were in the position, that I'd get one over a zonda though.

racefan_uk

2,935 posts

278 months

Thursday 21st July 2005
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To be honest, 750bhp is a bit poor considering that its a 7 litre to start with and you've added twin turbos to it.

A normally aspirated race Saleen engine is pushing out over 600bhp, so another 150 by adding that much isn't that great, in the grand scheme of things.

Especially when you think that Nissan managed to get just under 1000bhp from a spec'd up GTR in tests from a straight six.

I sooner have the Saleen though, but sans turbos. There's still something about them that makes them a while lot better than a Corvette!!!

horton

804 posts

274 months

Thursday 21st July 2005
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if i wanted a road legal racecar with a large american v8, i would get an ultima.

the s7 is a racecar for the road, its not a supercar.

for the money it costs, you could get a seriously specced ultima, a ferrari 430 and the new M5

i have nothing against american cars, i just dont see why something with a crappy american V8 should cost (lots)more than a v12 lambo or ferrari.



>> Edited by horton on Thursday 21st July 13:21

oppressed mass

217 posts

305 months

Thursday 21st July 2005
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racefan_uk said:
To be honest, 750bhp is a bit poor considering that its a 7 litre to start with and you've added twin turbos to it.

A normally aspirated race Saleen engine is pushing out over 600bhp, so another 150 by adding that much isn't that great, in the grand scheme of things.

Especially when you think that Nissan managed to get just under 1000bhp from a spec'd up GTR in tests from a straight six.



AFAK this S7 meets Federal emmissions so 100bhp/litre is pretty good. Hard to compare race engines, test engines, spec'd up engines with something emission compliant. It's up there in specific Performance / litre terms with Honda's Vtec 2.0 type R (which uses a high redline to achieve it) and the Ford GT 5.4 (which needs S/Charger)

Seefive

8,353 posts

255 months

Thursday 21st July 2005
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I reckon that the thing that makes them a whole lot better than a Corvette is something to do with the additional £260,000 it would cost....

Nice car, but for that money, I'd buy a newer top spec C6 Z06 Vette with the same combination of performance, handling and reliabliity as my C5, and another small house to rent out to pay the fuel bills.

VERY nice car, but still happy with my cheap, reliable lot

vetteheadracer

8,273 posts

275 months

Thursday 21st July 2005
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5.5PSI Max Turbos hardly seems worth it.

Tturn up the boost to 24PSI and that baby would fly, but $555,000 they are havin a larf.

$65,000 for C6 Z06 comes with a 7ltr, Blue Devil if it ever gets made is 7lt + supercharger = $100,000

So I buy the C6 Blue Devil and have $450,000 to buy a large bit of land to build a race track on!

r988

Original Poster:

7,495 posts

251 months

Thursday 21st July 2005
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vetteheadracer said:
5.5PSI Max Turbos hardly seems worth it.

Tturn up the boost to 24PSI and that baby would fly, but $555,000 they are havin a larf.

$65,000 for C6 Z06 comes with a 7ltr, Blue Devil if it ever gets made is 7lt + supercharger = $100,000

So I buy the C6 Blue Devil and have $450,000 to buy a large bit of land to build a race track on!



what about those ligenfelterwhateverthefecktheyarecalled Twin turbo vettes? they didnt hang about on the old vettes and would probably be rather fast with the new engine, to put it mildly

ProPlus

3,810 posts

262 months

Thursday 21st July 2005
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r988 said:

vetteheadracer said:
5.5PSI Max Turbos hardly seems worth it.

Tturn up the boost to 24PSI and that baby would fly, but $555,000 they are havin a larf.

$65,000 for C6 Z06 comes with a 7ltr, Blue Devil if it ever gets made is 7lt + supercharger = $100,000

So I buy the C6 Blue Devil and have $450,000 to buy a large bit of land to build a race track on!




what about those ligenfelterwhateverthefecktheyarecalled Twin turbo vettes? they didnt hang about on the old vettes and would probably be rather fast with the new engine, to put it mildly


The calloway sledgehammers??

dinkel

27,590 posts

280 months

Thursday 21st July 2005
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I already sayed I loved it to bits

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racefan_uk said:
To be honest, 750bhp is a bit poor considering that its a 7 litre to start with and you've added twin turbos to it.


A bit poor?
My guess: This's a driveable piece of machine with all the available torque under your foot. Great launch - saw the vid a few months ago - and great control. Adding a 'few' extra horses will make it just as more 'usefull' as a pepped EVO . . . And we all saw the TG episode where the Stilo left the Mitsu standing didn't we?

Tracktoolkit will add 'just a little bit'. Just my 50c . . .

>> Edited by dinkel on Thursday 21st July 13:41

MarkoTVR

1,139 posts

256 months

Thursday 21st July 2005
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There were modified Vettes done by Lingenfelter and Calloway, weren't there?

wizzpig

2,039 posts

250 months

Thursday 21st July 2005
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Bonkers!

I do like the look of it though, especially in blue. Sorta like the demonic, delinquent offspring of a Maca F1 and an XJ220.

ErnestM

11,621 posts

289 months

Thursday 21st July 2005
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I know a gent here in Florida that has owned two Macca F1's and owns a silver S7 (as well as a bunch of other kit; EB110, Porsche GT1, etc). He says that the Saleen is his favourite car to drive simply because it is driveable on the streets whereas his other cars all have too many quirks.

His wife likes the EB110, though. Must be a good shopping car

ErnestM

PS: He liked the Maccas but said that thier cooling systems where not up to the Florida heat so he sold them off.

dinkel

27,590 posts

280 months

Thursday 21st July 2005
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ErnestM said:
I know a gent here . . .


Mr. Leno?

wizzpig

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250 months

Thursday 21st July 2005
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dinkel said:

ErnestM said:
I know a gent here . . .



Mr. Leno?


Oooow, I know him! I've seen his chopper. Huge great throbbing beast. Was on the telly a while ago. This one guy was taking a ride on it, and he said it was one of the best he'd ridden. Then, the two guys that had been fiddling with it all day, got it out for him on his TV show! One guy even rode it on stage for him. He looked really pleased, his little face was a picture.

Anyone else watch "American Chopper" on Disovery?

ErnestM

11,621 posts

289 months

Thursday 21st July 2005
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Jay lives in California. Gentleman's name that I know is Gerd Petrik. Very nice man and quite the car collector. He always seems to be able to pull a unique automobile out of his stable for our car shows.

His Saleen:



Oh, and the "dealer" reg in Florida means car dealer, not drug dealer


ErnestM

Hair Bear

22 posts

249 months

Thursday 21st July 2005
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Saleen S7 = £317,200.00p
1 pint lager = £2.20p
20 pints a week
1 Saleen S7 = 7,209 weeks on the beer,
or 3 Le Mans Beer mountains!!

Makes you think......

Elfboy

51 posts

250 months

Thursday 21st July 2005
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Don't like it at all.

Looks very silly and old.

Mine's a Zonda ()

scorp

8,783 posts

251 months

Thursday 21st July 2005
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Im not a car expert by any means, but im wondering about those gill like slits on this thing, will they add significant amounts of drag at high speeds ?