More scrote behaviour...
More scrote behaviour...
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polar_ben

Original Poster:

1,413 posts

279 months

Thursday 31st October 2002
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13 year-old pulls gun on police officer - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2378719.stm

Plod should have done the decent thing and fcuking pulled the trigger, I reckon

marki

15,763 posts

290 months

Thursday 31st October 2002
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The officer eventually managed to kick the gun away without hurting the boy, who was later charged with intent to use unlawful violence.

Fake guns look increasingly realistic
But there are concerns that the popularity of gun culture among London's youths means it is only a matter of time before one is shot in error.

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First, who cares if he kicked it away with out hurting the Scrote

Secondly, who cares if one is shot by mistake , if you pull this sort of stunt you should expect to take whats coming to you ,why should Plod take extra risks to determine its a replica .

rich1231

17,339 posts

280 months

Thursday 31st October 2002
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I know an armed police officer in the Met quite well, and I absolutely am convinced that the last thing they want to do is pull a trigger unless it is unquestionably required.

If you pull a trigger then there are all sorts of enquiries no matter how clear cut the situation is. And then there is the knowledge that you shot and killed a youngster (using the quoted case). No matter how much you pretend that its an easy decision to shoot, most of us here will never be in a position to know.

On another point, I count airsoft (like paintball but with bb guns) as one of my hobbies and I dont want the weapons banned.
Rich

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

285 months

Thursday 31st October 2002
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rich1231 said: ...On another point, I count airsoft (like paintball but with bb guns) as one of my hobbies and I dont want the weapons banned...


me to.

marki

15,763 posts

290 months

Thursday 31st October 2002
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I did not say it was easy to shoot !! read it .

And i know that an officer who di shoot a kid with a gun would of course have to go though a lot of inquests and of course have all the remorse and guilt to live with , but they should NOT have to take need less risk to be certain that it is a fake

polar_ben

Original Poster:

1,413 posts

279 months

Thursday 31st October 2002
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If you pull a trigger then there are all sorts of enquiries no matter how clear cut the situation is.


CCTV showed the kid lift the weapon & level it at the Police Officer's head. Very clear cut, and ACPO guidlines dictate he would have been within his rights to use fiearms. Kicking it out of a suspect's hands isn't something the Police are trained to do & constituted an enormous risk in this case.

I don't think banning airsoft (etc) is the way ahead. I do, however, think that if you level a gun at a policemen's head, you deserve more than the community service this chap will doubtless get.


apeebles

267 posts

304 months

Thursday 31st October 2002
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I saw this on the news yesterday. The gun was raised and pointed at the officer. The policeman was incredibly brave to kick the gun. I would imagine that in most other countries the kid would be dead by now.

relaxitscool

393 posts

286 months

Friday 1st November 2002
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He may well have had reasonable cause to pull the trigger. But, the officer would still get taken to a police cell, stripped of his clothing then suspended from duty for anything up to 2 years while the enquires are carried out as to whether or not his actions were lawful and justified.

Then as pointed out, he'd still have to live with the death of a youngster on his conscience.

I think they guy deserves a medal for dealing with it that manner, and for being able to get his leg up that
high !

Rob

trefor

14,709 posts

303 months

Friday 1st November 2002
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I think that's the problem in the UK today. Try this in America ... what sort of flowers would sir like on his grave? The scrotes know we're all too nicey nicey to actually pop him. I'm not saying the Police should be gun slinging shoot from the hip types, but I wish it would happen a couple of times to put the scrotes in their place.

I guesstimate this laddie will get a slap on the wrist and a free holiday out of it. Meanwhile the poor Policeman probably had 100 forms to fill in before he went home 4 hours late and found his dinner in the dog. Ah, don't you just love the system

T/.


apeebles said: I saw this on the news yesterday. The gun was raised and pointed at the officer. The policeman was incredibly brave to kick the gun. I would imagine that in most other countries the kid would be dead by now.



plotloss

67,280 posts

290 months

Friday 1st November 2002
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Cant remember who said it, but an American comic summising British police methods:

'Stop! Or I'll say Stop! again'

Immense character of the bobby though to do that, I do hope he gets some sort of commendation and the little scrote gets the 'Mr Big' treatment inside.

Matt.

Fatboy

8,246 posts

292 months

Friday 1st November 2002
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[anorak]
It was Robin Williams
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relaxitscool

393 posts

286 months

Friday 1st November 2002
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'Stop! Or I'll say Stop! again'




How true...



>> Edited by relaxitscool on Friday 1st November 20:01

dcb

6,026 posts

285 months

Saturday 2nd November 2002
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13 year-old pulls gun on police officer - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2378719.stm

Plod should have done the decent thing and fcuking pulled the trigger, I reckon


Complete agreement.

How can it be that a thirteen year old is out & about
after 11 pm at nite, waving toy guns about in a dodgy
area of town ?

The policeman had every right in the world to
be suspicious, and a couple of warning shots over
the youngster's head would have been entirely appropriate.

I'm not paying out good money every month, to equip
policemen with guns, to have the coppers not
use them when the time is right.


I suspect the TV interview with boy's mother
might have gone something like this :-

"He's a little angel. He never done nuffink wrong".

Strick

19 posts

280 months

Saturday 2nd November 2002
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apeebles said: The policeman was incredibly brave to kick the gun.





I personally think this more stupid than brave. If that kid had had a real gun then the police officer could well be dead now. People can cover it up all they like but if a gun (real or not) is pointed at a police officer then they should shoot in return. Why risk there own lives (and of citizens close by)to determine if its a replica or not?

MoJocvh

16,837 posts

282 months

Saturday 2nd November 2002
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Sadly, this is nothing new.

Ever since the forces became a target on the UK mainland most service personel have had to carry out live armed guard.

There have been many cases of "pranksters" pulling imitation weapons on these personel (who by no strech of the imagination could be reasonably seen as a "professional armed force").

Thankfully (for the guards that is) none of the idiots have ever been shot.

There are other issues that have recently come into play concerning the legitimacy of forces personel opening fire, however I am unable to discuss these on a forum such as this.
It is a great pity that these personel are denied acsess to the support/advice that the police service provides.

>> Edited by MoJocvh on Saturday 2nd November 16:18

relaxitscool

393 posts

286 months

Sunday 3rd November 2002
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It is a great pity that these personel are denied acsess to the support/advice that the police service provides.



See my earlier post. Should a firearms Officer have to pull the trigger, the support they recieve is laughable, probably the reason why the officer was unwilling to pull the trigger.

Regards

Rob

MoJocvh

16,837 posts

282 months

Sunday 3rd November 2002
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Rob, I was talking about your federation, at least you have that.
Rgds etc

Mojo.