T2000 survey shows people want speed cameras
T2000 survey shows people want speed cameras
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Mr E

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22,642 posts

279 months

Monday 4th November 2002
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2394465.stm

So hang on. Let me get this right. An anti-car lobby has handed over money for a survey to be done, and in a shock result it backs their position.....

*sigh*

In other news, 97% of pistonhead members asked backed higher Mway speed limits and increased driver training....

AlexH

2,505 posts

304 months

Monday 4th November 2002
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Yep ,hearing that on the news 'The majority of drivers in London want more speed cameras' gave me a moments shock until the newscaster followed it with the words 'in a poll commissioned by Transport 2000 today'.

Thing is, do the general public appreciate how skewed anything to come from them is?

funkihamsta

1,261 posts

283 months

Monday 4th November 2002
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"More speed cameras should be placed on the most dangerous roads in London, according to a survey of residents."

The exact format of the question can introduce bias. For example "Would you like to see more cameras placed on dangerous roads?"
InterviewEE, "Well its better than sticking them on safe roads and using them to generate revenue.."
InterviewER,"I'll put you down as a yes then?"

The way the interviewer looks, the sorts of people that'll stop to be asked these kinds of questions, how the interviewer chooses to stop people, where the survey is carried out, what time of day (demographic effects) also play massive roles in this type-a-shite.

mondeoman

11,430 posts

286 months

Monday 4th November 2002
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Cant we get someone to do an -online poll on here and produce the results ourselves??

Gotta be worht a try ......

spnracing

1,554 posts

291 months

Monday 4th November 2002
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Seriously why can't the ABD commission their own poll?

This evidence plus TRL421 that states more speed = more accidents is definitely tipping the balance in favour of T2K.

corozin

2,680 posts

291 months

Monday 4th November 2002
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Did any of you guys check out who did the poll? YouGov did it - www.yougov.com a frickin' internet pollster!

So (I thought) T2000 commission an internet poll, then get thier mates to put down the trees for 3 minutes and vote for thier own view and voila! they have have the voice of Londoners...

However, this particular issue does not appear on the list of public polls on the website... so has a poll even been commissioned?

Given all this I conducted my own poll today of 127,372 random Londoners of which 98.35% said that they want the members of T2000 tied to the back of a horse (or better still a Lotus) and dragged publicly from London to Birmingham.

So now we have two opposing polls... heh heh

Mr E

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22,642 posts

279 months

Monday 4th November 2002
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corozin said: Given all this I conducted my own poll today of 127,372 random Londoners of which 98.35% said that they want the members of T2000 tied to the back of a horse (or better still a Lotus) and dragged publicly from London to Birmingham.




Cronjob set for once a second?

(For the non geeks - my apologies, and if you're interested.... www.aota.net/Script_Installation_Tips/cronhelp.php4)

nonegreen

7,803 posts

290 months

Monday 4th November 2002
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I have done a survey amongst the earthworms and they want T2000 to eat, which IMO is why we should shoot them, all of them.

zertec

499 posts

303 months

Tuesday 5th November 2002
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Why not start an organisation called "Transport 2002" (or 2003). Beat them at their own game.

(I also always wanted to start a brewary producing beer/lager called "Probably" and have Carlsberg do my advertising)

Don

28,378 posts

304 months

Tuesday 5th November 2002
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funkihamsta said: "More speed cameras should be placed on the most dangerous roads in London, according to a survey of residents."

The exact format of the question can introduce bias. For example "Would you like to see more cameras placed on dangerous roads?"
InterviewEE, "Well its better than sticking them on safe roads and using them to generate revenue.."
InterviewER,"I'll put you down as a yes then?"

The way the interviewer looks, the sorts of people that'll stop to be asked these kinds of questions, how the interviewer chooses to stop people, where the survey is carried out, what time of day (demographic effects) also play massive roles in this type-a-shite.


Did you ever see that episode of Yes, Minister about polls. Absolutely marvellous. To paraphrase:

Q. Children die in Road Accidents. Due you this is bad?
Q. Do you think people should slow down near nurseries and schools?
Q. Do you think we should have more speed cameras?

OR

Q. Do you travel to and from work by car?
Q. Is it important to you get there quickly and safely?
Q. Do you think we should have more speed cameras?

Polls. They're kak.

AlexH

2,505 posts

304 months

Tuesday 5th November 2002
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zertec said: Why not start an organisation called "Transport 2002" (or 2003). Beat them at their own game.

(I also always wanted to start a brewary producing beer/lager called "Probably" and have Carlsberg do my advertising)




Thats why their name is quite appropriate now; when they picked it years ago it made them sound as if they were looking at the future, now it demonstrates that they are stuck in the past.

Toffer

1,528 posts

281 months

Tuesday 5th November 2002
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Think about this...
I am constantly amazed that more cameras are not destroyed.
On your next trip out in the car you will notice how many road direction signs are mangled, destroyed or missing completely.
I have never seen a speed camera acidentally damaged or run over.
Therefore speed cameras must be sited in predominantly safe locations!

QED

martinh

35 posts

292 months

Wednesday 6th November 2002
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Toffer said
I am constantly amazed that more cameras are not destroyed.

In Holland they seem to be getting destroyed quite a lot - try

www.tuftufclub.com

for some pictures..........M

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

285 months

Thursday 7th November 2002
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Toffer said: Think about this...
I am constantly amazed that more cameras are not destroyed.
On your next trip out in the car you will notice how many road direction signs are mangled, destroyed or missing completely.
I have never seen a speed camera acidentally damaged or run over.
Therefore speed cameras must be sited in predominantly safe locations!

QED


This is becuase cameras are exempt for the impact safety regulations that are applied to all other road furniture. Hit a lamppost and it will collapse to reduce the impact - hit a camera post and your car gets wrapped around it. Perhaps this is why so many of them are on straight sections of road - they're too dangerous to put up at blackspots.

Slightly off topic but has anyone ever seen a camera outside a school?

mondeoman

11,430 posts

286 months

Thursday 7th November 2002
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Captain Muppet said:



Slightly off topic but has anyone ever seen a camera outside a school?


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

DancingMoose

5,618 posts

278 months

Monday 11th November 2002
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Re the dead speedcamera pics : Would someone please tell me what weapon was used?