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thinfourth said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4512202.stm
Yep its going to be pick on the motorist again
where does it say that?
The irony in any green meanie attack on the private car is that the car industry is the ONLY one to have cleaned up it's act........and is still ongoing
Cars are now 20 times cleaner and up to 100% more fuel efficient than they where 20 years ago.
Name another polluting industry that has done the same.....power stns? ...(well we shut all the coal mines but we now import and burn foreign coal and oil in them instead).
Aircraft?......well yes they have also got more fuel efficient (to a degree) but burned at a rate of many gallons/minute I'm glad that I don't pay the fuel bill even though it is all tax free.
Cars are now 20 times cleaner and up to 100% more fuel efficient than they where 20 years ago.
Name another polluting industry that has done the same.....power stns? ...(well we shut all the coal mines but we now import and burn foreign coal and oil in them instead).
Aircraft?......well yes they have also got more fuel efficient (to a degree) but burned at a rate of many gallons/minute I'm glad that I don't pay the fuel bill even though it is all tax free.
Definately time for a new party. These conservative morons are not fit to govern. We need an alternative to green, green, green or lunatic green. I cannot possibly vote for any of these idiots I want them all not just out of office but out of Britain altogether. Where is the party that will smash the cameras, rip up the humps and the surplus traffic lights, deport Livingstone, give the civil service a choice, "join the roadbuilding gang Monday or lose your pension". Then of course there are the serious criminals to deal with, Monbiot, Begg, Carsten, Palin, Meacher, Agguter, Brunstrom et al. They need to be on the same cell block as our nastiest phsychopaths 
Contradiction or what.
Use more biofuels, but cut carbon emissions by 2050?
Surely carbon emissions are fine as long as they are neutral on the environment (ie, biofuels)
That distinction wasn't made, and pretty much sums up the ignorance they hold.
I'd be using biofuels NOW if they were taxed realistically so they were viable for petrol stations to actually sell! I doubt they are very popular when they are taxed more than the equivalent fossil fuels for equivalent use by consumers.
They could cut the emission of non-neutral carbon in half in a matter of years from cars but nooooo. Tis all about the tax!
Dave
Use more biofuels, but cut carbon emissions by 2050?
Surely carbon emissions are fine as long as they are neutral on the environment (ie, biofuels)
That distinction wasn't made, and pretty much sums up the ignorance they hold.
I'd be using biofuels NOW if they were taxed realistically so they were viable for petrol stations to actually sell! I doubt they are very popular when they are taxed more than the equivalent fossil fuels for equivalent use by consumers.
They could cut the emission of non-neutral carbon in half in a matter of years from cars but nooooo. Tis all about the tax!
Dave
Edited by Mr Whippy on Tuesday 15th August 13:32
venom said:
However the article also goes on to say we should not live like monks and suggests biofuel for cars, rather than necessarily forcing us of the road through hook or by crook. Wait and see I'd say....
If a semblance of the effort currently put in slamming the common driver was put into encouraging research and development of new bio-fuels that can burn in unmodified fossel-fuel engines, then perhaps some progress in that area could be expected soon.
I only hope that a politican somewhere will realise soon that hammering us off the roads will NEVER work.
Oooh yees, also: electric cars will never be more than a numptythang.
Cameron = Bliar-by-any-other-name = charlie uniform november tango...
Cameron is now followed round on his bike by a Toyota Prepuce that has a higher 'dust-to-dust' environment debt than a Hummer 3.
There is no longer any choice of party to vote for in this country, the most reasonable all-round is the BNP!
Let us enjoy our cars while we can and, when we can no longer afford them, remove their VIN's and number plates, drive them into Livingstone's little Citadel of Fear and dump them for him to dispose of, then emigrate.
Watch the film 'V for Vendetta' - it will make your skin crawl, because it is just around the corner...
Cameron is now followed round on his bike by a Toyota Prepuce that has a higher 'dust-to-dust' environment debt than a Hummer 3.
There is no longer any choice of party to vote for in this country, the most reasonable all-round is the BNP!
Let us enjoy our cars while we can and, when we can no longer afford them, remove their VIN's and number plates, drive them into Livingstone's little Citadel of Fear and dump them for him to dispose of, then emigrate.
Watch the film 'V for Vendetta' - it will make your skin crawl, because it is just around the corner...
nonegreen said:
Definately time for a new party. These conservative morons are not fit to govern. We need an alternative to green, green, green or lunatic green. I cannot possibly vote for any of these idiots I want them all not just out of office but out of Britain altogether. Where is the party that will smash the cameras, rip up the humps and the surplus traffic lights, deport Livingstone, give the civil service a choice, "join the roadbuilding gang Monday or lose your pension". Then of course there are the serious criminals to deal with, Monbiot, Begg, Carsten, Palin, Meacher, Agguter, Brunstrom et al. They need to be on the same cell block as our nastiest phsychopaths
Good man, Nonners - can always be relied on to serve up the perfect blast against the nazi sandalista hoardes.
It's like Autocar's feature today referring to Douglas Alexander's leaked letter about 'tag & beacon' tolls for trunk roads and city centres, or the government's request of local councils to review (i.e. lower) speed limits through Little Buggerington and "implement the results by 2011," or the theory that this is all preperation for a "national digital speed map."
I tell you, no cause is more noble against which to conduct mass, civil disobedience.
Also, have you noticed how all these ministerial oppressors are Scottish?
I've never been a Longshanks when it comes to our friends in the (far) north but you do wonder whether devolution might not better serve the interests of the English hooner, what?
God, I hate them all. Tories too, under this phoney, liberal fop.
DeR, awaiting The Sword of Pendragon.
derestrictor said:
Good man, Nonners -can always be relied on to serve up the perfect blast against the nazi sandalista hoardes.
It's like Autocar's feature today referring to Douglas Alexander's leaked letter about 'tag & beacon' tolls for trunk roads and city centres, or the government's request of local councils to review (i.e. lower) speed limits through Little Buggerington and "implement the results by 2011," or the theory that this is all preperation for a "national digital speed map."
I tell you, no cause is more noble against which to conduct mass, civil disobedience.
Also, have you noticed how all these ministerial oppressors are Scottish?
I've never been a Longshanks when it comes to our friends in the (far) north but you do wonder whether devolution might not better serve the interests of the English hooner, what?
God, I hate them all. Tories too, under this phoney, liberal fop.
DeR, awaiting The Sword of Pendragon.
I think for once in my life, I actually understand exactly what you said and wholeheartedly agree with you, fine sir..
derestrictor said:
God, I hate them all. Tories too, under this phoney, liberal fop.
Indeed Der, whilst we are indeed poles apart we are yet close in outlook. Strange bedfellows indeed Mon Chum. Do you remember my distant rant about why we need both a real Tory party and a real Labour party? "Because without this there is no democracy"....i.e. you do not have a choice! (somewhat like America)
Differing views are very important and are to be cherished, heaven forbid the day when we don't.......or has that day already arrived. Are we now a one party state do you think? Have we now NOTHING with which to beat down the political classes when they are out of touch?.......
(8Pack)(never been a Blairite)
Edited by 8Pack on Saturday 19th August 02:03
8Pack said:
derestrictor said:
God, I hate them all. Tories too, under this phoney, liberal fop.
Indeed Der, whilst we are indeed poles apart we are yet close in outlook. Strange bedfellows indeed Mon Chum. Do you remember my distant rant about why we need both a real Tory party and a real Labour party? "Because without this there is no democracy"....i.e. you do not have a choice! (somewhat like America)
Differing views are very important and are to be cherished, heaven forbid the day when we don't.......or has that day already arrived. Are we now a one party state do you think? Have we now NOTHING with which to beat down the political classes when they are out of touch?.......
(8Pack)(never been a Blairite)
Edited by 8Pack on Saturday 19th August 02:03
Not only will they all be the same, other than name, they will all see it as their cause to make voting compulsory.
A very interesting kind of 'democracy' approaches us.
8Pack said:
derestrictor said:
God, I hate them all. Tories too, under this phoney, liberal fop.
Indeed Der, whilst we are indeed poles apart we are yet close in outlook. Strange bedfellows indeed Mon Chum. Do you remember my distant rant about why we need both a real Tory party and a real Labour party? "Because without this there is no democracy"....i.e. you do not have a choice! (somewhat like America)
Differing views are very important and are to be cherished, heaven forbid the day when we don't.......or has that day already arrived. Are we now a one party state do you think? Have we now NOTHING with which to beat down the political classes when they are out of touch?.......
(8Pack)(never been a Blairite)
Edited by 8Pack on Saturday 19th August 02:03
I'm not sure with what it is you think politicians are specifically out of touch, but there's no restriction as far as I know on holding, stating and debating whatever view you desire. You can tell your view to your politician and if he won't take up your cause, even stand for election yourself if you wish. Maybe you just have a different view from most politicians. Maybe you have written your views to your MP who would likely welcome your input even if they disagree.
Well......What I was saying is what I think Derestrictor was saying...
i.e. That all the party's are now pushing the same view from a series of clones of one another.....so where is our choice?
Better still, where is our democracy? All the machinery is there.....but the party's are all the same so we have in effect no democracy any more!...we can't change a thing and we're being managed not governed....
How on earth do we end this war on the motorist when no-one is prepared to take a political stance against it?..
i.e. That all the party's are now pushing the same view from a series of clones of one another.....so where is our choice?
Better still, where is our democracy? All the machinery is there.....but the party's are all the same so we have in effect no democracy any more!...we can't change a thing and we're being managed not governed....
How on earth do we end this war on the motorist when no-one is prepared to take a political stance against it?..
Edited by 8Pack on Sunday 20th August 01:20
LongQ said:
...they will all see it as their cause to make voting compulsory...
No politician would risk making voting compulsory at the moment. You would get a torrent of spoiled papers that would make claims of a popular mandate hard to sustain. Make spoiled papers illegal and things could get very scarey. Who do you vote for if you are sick of the major parties? The Greens, BNP and Monster Raving Loonies would end up forming a coalition government.V8 Archie said:
LongQ said:
...they will all see it as their cause to make voting compulsory...
No politician would risk making voting compulsory at the moment. You would get a torrent of spoiled papers that would make claims of a popular mandate hard to sustain. Make spoiled papers illegal and things could get very scarey. Who do you vote for if you are sick of the major parties? The Greens, BNP and Monster Raving Loonies would end up forming a coalition government.Compulsory voting feels like a step too far to me but I suppose it depends on how many voters turn out. It's not very democratic to have a government installed by a small, highly political, percentage of the population. If voting apathy continues to rise, one day it may be necessary to make it compulsory. I think voting's important, even if it's a negative vote.
As to which party to vote for well here's the 2001 manifesto of the Monster Raving Loonies.:
TRANSPORT
ROAD
To prevent a fuel crisis and help farmers we will work together with Volkswagen to produce a new car which runs on farmyard effluent.
We propose to call this new car the 'Dung Beetle'.
< picture of a dung beetle pushing a ball of dung >
Every car owner should be given a horse to tow it in case of fuel crises.
On the driving test learners will at least be able to phone one friend, take a fifty fifty choice of route or ask the other drivers in the traffic jam for advice.
Under 21 drivers will be restricted to Reliant Robins & 2CVs in a bid to reduce accidents involving 'boy racers'.
In order to stop motorway congestion - We'll Close Them!
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