F1 Rule changes
Discussion
'The FIA has announced major changes to F1 regulations after teams failed to agree to cost-cutting measures.
Two-way telemetry, radio communication and spare cars have all been banned with immediate effect, while electronic driver aids such as traction control, launch control and fully automatic gearboxes will be outlawed by 2004 at the latest.'
Good or Bad?
Two-way telemetry, radio communication and spare cars have all been banned with immediate effect, while electronic driver aids such as traction control, launch control and fully automatic gearboxes will be outlawed by 2004 at the latest.'
Good or Bad?
Didn't they outlaw driver aids until last season? IIRC they allowed them in because it was impossible to police.
From the BBC Sport site (link) apparently by 2006 engines will have to last 6 races.
While I see that the FIA is trying to reduce the cost of Formula 1 so the large teams won't have as large an advantage as they have now, which is a good thing, I can't see any rule changes that will bring money into the sport - ie. rules that allow closer racing.
Full rule changes (from the BBC site):
Pit to car telemetry banned
No radio contact between driver and team
Spare car cannot be used
No access to cars between final qualifying and the race
Standard braking systems and rear wings to be introduced from 2004
Electronic aids to be eliminated by 2004
Engines to last two races from 2005
From the BBC Sport site (link) apparently by 2006 engines will have to last 6 races.
While I see that the FIA is trying to reduce the cost of Formula 1 so the large teams won't have as large an advantage as they have now, which is a good thing, I can't see any rule changes that will bring money into the sport - ie. rules that allow closer racing.
Full rule changes (from the BBC site):
Pit to car telemetry banned
No radio contact between driver and team
Spare car cannot be used
No access to cars between final qualifying and the race
Standard braking systems and rear wings to be introduced from 2004
Electronic aids to be eliminated by 2004
Engines to last two races from 2005
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To me, part of the interest in F1 is the techological aspect. It is the pinnacle of the sport in terms of technology. OK, so some of the races can turn into a procession, agreed, but if you want to watch racing where there are standard components etc etc then ther are loads of other formulas out there to watch, most of which offer good racing. You want action? you want overtaking? you want all the cars to be the same? go watch the Tuscans racing! There is a lot of debate in the media about F1 as if it is the only form of motor racing there is!
I say leave F1 as it is, the ultimate battle between teams to build the best car and show a wider range of racing to the public, rather than burying it in odd 20 minute slots between horse racing and darts on a Saturday afternoon. F1 only became big through the media, there is no reason why other formulas cannot be as big with good coverage.
Jon H
I say leave F1 as it is, the ultimate battle between teams to build the best car and show a wider range of racing to the public, rather than burying it in odd 20 minute slots between horse racing and darts on a Saturday afternoon. F1 only became big through the media, there is no reason why other formulas cannot be as big with good coverage.
Jon H
To me, part of the interest in F1 is the techological aspect. It is the pinnacle of the sport in terms of technology. OK, so some of the races can turn into a procession, agreed, but if you want to watch racing where there are standard components etc etc then ther are loads of other formulas out there to watch
I think the point that it is supposedly the pinnacle of the sport is why the rules MUST change.
The problem is that technology is restricted and all of the cars are getting to that limit. Look at the cars over the last 5 years put them next to each other and try to spot the difference (it will be very minor). As someone has said before in the gassing station if you painted all the cars white could you tell them apart? (I know I couldn't)
What must be remembered is that motor racing is for entertainment not technology development. To say that only "some" of the races are procesional is an understatament. As you say watch Tuscans, Caterhams, WSB, BSB, MotoGP and you then get exciting racing. Unfortunately F1 is destryoying the exciting racing as people see F1 and say "all motor sport is boring"
F1 Rules now exist to make the cars slower (eg grooved tyres) and the teams are making the cars such that the slipstream effect is none existant making cars behind slower than the ones in front, hence why the procession. I welcome the new rules but think they still haven't gone far enough, kill the aerodynamic packages, get back to 1 wing front and back.
I quite like the "cage" idea in that a car must fit inside a cage of set physical dimensions but the car is unrestricted apart from that (except safety regulations, of course). Would be interesting to see what would be developed then, perhaps we may see 6 wheeled vehicles, strange new suspension systems, and so on.
Either way F1 is killing motor sport, it must change.
>> Edited by smeagol on Saturday 18th January 15:04
Couple of items from the full FIA statement:
WTF??? I'm sure Minardi are going to throw a bloody party to celebrate the fact that they can now save nearly a couple of grand per race on air tickets and hotels! Now they only need £1.98m extra to pay for engines instead of £1.99m
Well, I care that they are there, and I think jonh agrees with me - part of the attraction is the technology and that means the people who design, build and support it.
That's right, speed kills. How many deaths have there been exactly since Senna? Those cars do look like they're going very fast, don't they. Hmmm... speed DOESN'T kill! What a revelation!
Exactly how is all this going to stop Schumacher piss it away from the rest of them at every race? Maybe they should make him tow a trailer containing all the cash saved by the other teams on hotel bills, in used tenners?
The need for ever fewer personnel will also save on air tickets and hotel rooms
WTF??? I'm sure Minardi are going to throw a bloody party to celebrate the fact that they can now save nearly a couple of grand per race on air tickets and hotels! Now they only need £1.98m extra to pay for engines instead of £1.99m
The army of technicians using sophisticated and very expensive telemetry to follow every quirk of the car on computer screens, are hidden at the back of the pits. They are concealed from a public who neither know nor care that they are there.
Well, I care that they are there, and I think jonh agrees with me - part of the attraction is the technology and that means the people who design, build and support it.
It [standard wings] will not only save money, but also reduce speed in the fastest corners.This will significantly improve safety.
That's right, speed kills. How many deaths have there been exactly since Senna? Those cars do look like they're going very fast, don't they. Hmmm... speed DOESN'T kill! What a revelation!
Exactly how is all this going to stop Schumacher piss it away from the rest of them at every race? Maybe they should make him tow a trailer containing all the cash saved by the other teams on hotel bills, in used tenners?
Also wheres the latest technology going to be tested out now all these changes have effectively put the cars back to the dark ages?
Traction control, abs, auto shift gearboxes are all F1 tested and developed.
Itll not be as fast paced.
Also engines are going to have to last at least 6 races?
Why? Whats the point of that?
Itll just mean theyll have to rev them less.
I say stick an old 2.0 litre pinto in em and use that, they may as well.
Traction control, abs, auto shift gearboxes are all F1 tested and developed.
Itll not be as fast paced.
Also engines are going to have to last at least 6 races?
Why? Whats the point of that?
Itll just mean theyll have to rev them less.
I say stick an old 2.0 litre pinto in em and use that, they may as well.
deltaf said: Also wheres the latest technology going to be tested out now all these changes have effectively put the cars back to the dark ages?
World Rally Championship? In cars which bear at least some relationship to road cars.
IMHO the view that F1 is at the cutting edge of technology is a long way from the truth. Many developements have already been banned from F1 (Active suspension, Active diffs, ABS, etc...). I see this making very little difference to F1, apart from making the driver earn his money. Maybe a few of the better drivers will get chance to shine.
I don't think we've heard the last of this 
A standard wing makes sense, but what about slicks? And the 'no spare car' rule? If three or four drivers get agricultural during qualifying the grid might look rather empty!
I like the idea of 'one-shot' qualifying, and with a bit of luck it should lead to some entertainment during the first few laps of the race itself, but again, how many cars will make contact. Pity if we end up with ten runners.
Three-car teams would be interesting, with a field of around thirty, but I suppose that goes against the cost reduction ethos. A pity. Curbing the technology is a pity too - F1 should be the high-tech pinnacle of racing.
My guess is that the spectacle won't change much - the painful truth is (and always has been) that the 'best view in the house' is reserved for the drivers
Just have to wait and see
>> Edited by McNab on Sunday 19th January 02:36
A standard wing makes sense, but what about slicks? And the 'no spare car' rule? If three or four drivers get agricultural during qualifying the grid might look rather empty!
I like the idea of 'one-shot' qualifying, and with a bit of luck it should lead to some entertainment during the first few laps of the race itself, but again, how many cars will make contact. Pity if we end up with ten runners.
Three-car teams would be interesting, with a field of around thirty, but I suppose that goes against the cost reduction ethos. A pity. Curbing the technology is a pity too - F1 should be the high-tech pinnacle of racing.
My guess is that the spectacle won't change much - the painful truth is (and always has been) that the 'best view in the house' is reserved for the drivers
Just have to wait and see
>> Edited by McNab on Sunday 19th January 02:36
It's getting better and better
http://f1.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/030119042432.shtml
levensnevel
http://f1.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/030119042432.shtml
levensnevel
If Mr Ferrari had still been alive he would have pulled out of F1 pronto!
He threatened to do just that almost every year, but habitually relented at the last moment.
This time he would have quit - and the rules would have been changed yet again!
The powers-that-be know they can't do without the dancing donkey - too much support world-wide (we are the exception).
He threatened to do just that almost every year, but habitually relented at the last moment.
This time he would have quit - and the rules would have been changed yet again!
The powers-that-be know they can't do without the dancing donkey - too much support world-wide (we are the exception).
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