RE: Motorways to get traffic info
RE: Motorways to get traffic info
Tuesday 1st August 2006

Motorways to get traffic info

So everyone can avoid the jams together...


Electronic signs to show you the way
Electronic signs to show you the way
Drivers travelling on parts of the M6 and M5 this summer will be given real-time information about how long their journey will take.

Electronic roadside signs at major junctions on the two motorways will be displaying the latest travel time and delay information from our National Traffic Control Centre through as part of a region-wide trial. The messages will tell drivers the expected travel time to specific junctions on the motorway.

This information will help drivers make informed decisions throughout their journeys.

Roads minister Stephen Ladyman said: "Through the Highways Agency, we are investing in new services to help drivers to plan their journeys. These new messages are part of a range of information services so drivers can find out about traffic conditions on their route both before they set out and during their journey.

"Displaying journey times on our electronic signs will help them to do that. It will help them plan and consider options such as changing their route or taking a break if there are traffic delays ahead of them. They'll also have greater certainty about the time it will take to get to their destinations."

The area covered by this new trial consists of the M6 Stoke (J15) to M5 Bristol (J17) and M6 Stoke (J15) to its junction with the M1 (J19) (excluding M6 Toll and the M42), covering a total distance of 160 miles along two sections of central England's busiest motorway routes.

The system will display travel and delay times in both directions along these routes until the end of the school holidays in early September.

Ladyman said: "Over 200,000 vehicles a day travel on these routes and will be able to see the new service. We will be actively seeking feedback throughout the trial to assess the response from drivers and the impact on the network.

"Following the trial, we'll closely study this feedback before making any decisions on whether to extend the service to other parts of the motorway network.

"The software we're using during the trial will use historical traffic data for the two motorways, adjusted by information from automatic number plate recognition cameras (ANPRs) to reflect current conditions. It automatically recalculates the travel times every five minutes and updates the display. If an incident such as a road accident causes delays on the motorway above a certain threshold, the message will automatically switch from the travel time message to show the estimated delay."

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mybrainhurts

Original Poster:

90,809 posts

277 months

Tuesday 1st August 2006
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GO BACK....GO BACK....GO BACK

targarama

14,717 posts

305 months

Tuesday 1st August 2006
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This is nothing but a method by which to install the network/infrastructure for future road tolls, thinly disguised as being there to help the motorist. I'm sure the signs will help some people, but the majority of motorway users have no choice when they're told a certain route is jammed. I suppose they could go through unfamiliar towns - straight into gatsos and tallivans they're not used to the hiding places of...

Cynical me? Nah.

skint_driver

128 posts

274 months

Tuesday 1st August 2006
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I've seen some of these messages, and the problem is they say things like

Journey time to Somewhereville (J15) - 20 mins.

Great..er.. thanks. I wans't going to Somewhereville, and without knowing how far I am J15 I can't tell if 20mins is fast or slow.

A better way to present the same information would be:

"Average speed for next 20 miles - 60mph (20min)"

unobtainum

43 posts

266 months

Tuesday 1st August 2006
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I saw some of this rubbish on Sunday. Late at night telling me that the time to junction x was 19 mins etc.

If these are as accurate as the speed limits they impose for accidents that were cleared hours ago but the limit remains, or "FOG" and again the fog lifted hours ago what use are they?

Tossers.

sixcylinder

57 posts

244 months

Tuesday 1st August 2006
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Better if they spent some money on improving the roads than this waste of our taxes.

crankedup

25,764 posts

265 months

Tuesday 1st August 2006
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These message boards, from my own past experience, are a joke. The info has always been out of date or grossly misleading. I always ignore the bl00dy things now as I've been misled once to often.

RogerE

69 posts

253 months

Tuesday 1st August 2006
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no cynicism here then!!!

Gixer

4,463 posts

270 months

Tuesday 1st August 2006
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I've seen these kind of signs around Atlanta and they worked well BUT knowing how shite the signs are used at the moment I have to agree with whats been said, just another waste of time. A classic example of how shite they are was last week - after joining the A2 coast bound from the M25, I find the signs on the way home telling me the A14 is closed at the junction with the M11. What the F***??? I'm in Kent!



munky

5,328 posts

270 months

Tuesday 1st August 2006
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If they are as good as the Italian ones, they will be useful. But I doubt they will be. Italian ones give plenty of warning of severe traffic problems ahead so that you can plan a detour - if you have a passenger and they can read maps (or if you happen to pass a service station)

MGBGT

823 posts

244 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2006
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This would be Ladyboy trying to be seen to be doing something constructive on our roads without actually encouraging us to use them. He knows it will be crap, we know it will be crap, but he has mananged to justify some of the pittance he is paid for doing 'Big Jobs'.

It's all a bit like bathing in the North Sea;- not so much swimming as going through the motions...

8Pack

5,182 posts

262 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2006
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MMmmmm! Not sure chaps!.. Like you I'm always cynical, but the Germans are good at this. But there lies the problem, the Germans are: not us!......

They have systems which exist to keep traffic flowing at the max...possible.


Now it takes a great deal of "optimism" doesn't it to expect the same forethought here in "Blighty" does it not, with HM Gov's efforts to slow down our already "slow" traffic down even further by the introduction of "cycle!.....it's quicker!" laws and the slowest motorways in Europe!


Like you, I'm not hopeful....or convinced!...

chim666

2,337 posts

287 months

Saturday 5th August 2006
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targarama said:
This is nothing but a method by which to install the network/infrastructure for future road tolls
I agree - after all, why would you need 'information' signs at 500 metre intervals and all that high speed fibre cable if all you were doing was transmitting messages to a matrix sign. Also, why have ANPR cameras if all you want is traffic flow data?
These 'information' signs are beeing installed all along the M4, at God knows what cost - and surely that cost cannot be justified if it's only for driver information?

On the other hand, if you needed to send registration numbers back and have to monitor all three lanes at regular intervals along the road so you can charge for usage....

Edited by chim666 on Saturday 5th August 15:37

ican

50 posts

257 months

Wednesday 9th August 2006
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I spoke to a guy at work who works for the company installing them, "fluor" he said they will be used as APNR speed cameras as well. I hope he has got this wrong.

chim666

2,337 posts

287 months

Thursday 10th August 2006
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ican said:
I spoke to a guy at work who works for the company installing them, "fluor" he said they will be used as APNR speed cameras as well. I hope he has got this wrong.
The expected revenue from speeding fines / tolls is the only way that the cost of this extensive installation project would ever be recovered.
Driver information...? My ae