RE: Passat W8
Monday 17th February 2003

Passat W8

Robert Farago tries the Passat W8 4Motion Sport


Here’s a good way to lose money. Take a mass-market saloon and spec it to the max: sat nav, heat insulated tinted glass, parking radar, Bi-Xenon headlights, 17” rubber, alloy wheels, sports suspension, Tiptronic gearbox and the biggest damn engine money can buy. Come trade-in time, you’ll get just about the same money for your superfast gin palace as Mr. Repmobile gets for his plain vanilla version. And yet…

Your hi-spec mass-market machine will cost less than a bare bones prestige model. Case in point: the Volkswagen Passat W8 4Motion Sport. For £34,070, you get all the goodies above (including an eight-cylinder engine) for two hundred quid more than a no-spec six-cylinder BMW 530i Sport. The VW gives you more German automobile for less of your beloved English pounds, ja?

Obviously, the “no” side of the argument is fairly persuasive. Start with image. Although Volkswagen has elevated the brand by its relentless focus on quality, the Passat could well be the dowdiest car in Christendom. From certain angles, it looks like a duckbill platypus. From every other angle it looks like nothing at all. Even an enthusiast deeply committed to the “Q-Car” concept would find the Passat’s narcoleptic design insurmountably insipid.

Maxxed?


To try to separate the hotter W8 from the mind-numbing variety of low-speed Passats, VW adds shiny quad pipes, 14-spoke “Madras” alloys and W8 badges front and rear. And that’s it. No flared arches, wire mesh nose or Max Power appendages. It’s as if VW’s designers looked at Audi’s failure to macho-up the RS6 and figured they’d quit while they were behind. The test car’s Colorado Red “pearl effect” paint job did nothing to lift the W8 from the discretion of Passats cruising England’s highways and byways.

Luckily, the visual Valium doesn’t extend to the W8’s cabin. As you’d expect from Wolfsburg’s finest (at least until the Phaeton hoves into view), you can’t fault the interior’s build quality or materials - especially when compared to a cloth-covered BMW. Still, there’s something distinctly odd about a Passat with butter-soft leather chairs and polished wood accents. At the risk of sounding like I’ve taken LSD, the W8’s interior feels as if it wants to throw off its luxury trappings to pursue a simpler, more spiritual life. The instrumentation’s bright blue backlighting, which looks fresh and funky in a Golf, exemplifies the aesthetic dissonance.

The W8’s engine is the model’s best attempt to make a case for itself. As a passing Passatophile told his son, “Look! That one’s like ours with a V8!”

W8 Burble?


Actually, no. Think of the W8's powerplant as two V4's sharing the same crankshaft. This arrangement creates one of the world’s smallest 8-cylinder engines, and a slam-dunk for VW’s marketing department (“After ‘V’ comes ‘W’”). Unfortunately, it doesn’t create character. There’s none of the burble, woofle or barrel-chested growl of a properly sorted V8. The technically minded will identify the W8’s flat plane crank as the killjoy. The rest will simply wonder why the car’s 4.0-litre engine is always working so damn hard.

Weight. The W8 tips the scales at 1902kgs. That’s 337kgs more than the UK’s favourite Passat (the 1.9TDI PD 130) and 217kgs more than the BMW’s eight-cylinder 540i. Even though the W8’s engine stumps up 275bhp, it’s nowhere near enough power to overcome the forces of gravity. Zero to sixty takes eight seconds (vs. 6.3 seconds for the big Beemer). Once the W8’s tacho swings up beyond 4000rpms, the engine feels incredibly strong. But the unique design fails to deliver the trademark flexibility of a V8. The instant you ask the W8 to do anything other than amble, it’s kickdown city.

Chassis


That said, the W8’s 4Motion system accounts for the extra kilogrammage. I’m convinced that four-wheel-drive mania is delusional, but then along comes a snowstorm to prove me wrong. In less slippery conditions, the Passat’s chassis and suspension are up to the - Wait a second. Rating a Passat’s handling is like discussing a Lotus Elise’s reliability. Suffice it to say, the W8 corners better than you’d expect. More worryingly, a press-on driver is looking at 14 miles to a gallon of fuel. Or less. That’s supercar class fuel consumption. From a Passat.

And there you have it: proof positive that Volkswagen’s W8 4Motion Sport makes no sense whatsoever. Maybe if VW dropped the heavyweight 4WD gubbins from the equation, the lighter, faster car would.... Nah. The Passat is a sensible car that deserves a sensible engine. A few extra toys and luxuries wouldn’t go amiss, as long as they’re sensible priced. Which is exactly how 99% of the market buys their Passat. If VW wants to make a play for the sporting fraternity, they should turbo-charge the W8 and stick it in something small, light and drop dead gorgeous. Anything less (more?) is an expensive affectation.

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Discussion

Guy Humpage

Original Poster:

12,886 posts

307 months

Monday 17th February 2003
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Ye gads, £34k, 1900kgs, 0-60 in 8. Not quite the sum of the parts is it.

kevinday

13,669 posts

303 months

Monday 17th February 2003
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I wonder whether they will sell any at all?

james

1,362 posts

307 months

Monday 17th February 2003
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Another trademark positive review from Mr. Farago.

danmangt40

296 posts

307 months

Tuesday 18th February 2003
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Mr Farago, I've gotten in the habit of disagreeing with you because I sometimes feel you've concentrated on the wrong point and thus "evaluated an elise's reliability." However, that piece was brilliant. I saw a W8 today and thought, "what a lovely bland german auto. For the man who is in a family with people who own BMWs and Mercedes but doesn't really get the german luxury thing." I can't believe that 0-60 time though... that has got to make it the slowest 8 cylinder passenger car for sale today in the US. I'd bet a crown vic would even beat it. Lmfao, or a town car. Ok, maybe not a town car. But a turbo pt cruiser outsprints THAT to 60.

v8thunder

27,647 posts

281 months

Tuesday 18th February 2003
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They've taken a Passat.. and made it thirstier.
Clever. Solutions clearly for the modern world.
'Volkswagen'? Don't believe a word of it...

WalterU

470 posts

300 months

Tuesday 18th February 2003
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v8thunder said: They've taken a Passat.. and made it thirstier.
Clever. Solutions clearly for the modern world.
'Volkswagen'? Don't believe a word of it...


spot on.

I think that the german car manufacturers have all been befallen by insanity. Each of the newer generation cars have become heavier and thirstier - and petrol prices are going through the roof.

MPG in single figures?!? ffs!!!!

Rgds, WalterU

larobinson

22 posts

291 months

Tuesday 18th February 2003
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i think it's a stupid price for a car that is notorious for water leaks!!!!!! stick with the pd engines.

AndrewD

7,628 posts

307 months

Wednesday 19th February 2003
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Water leaks, eh? I've got the V6 4wd estate version to tow my Radical around with. Never leaked and thoroughly reliable and good at what it does. Granted, not a performance car but never thought it would be.

dannylt

1,906 posts

307 months

Wednesday 19th February 2003
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Even though the W8’s engine stumps up 275bhp, it’s nowhere near enough power to overcome the forces of gravity.


Pedant mode on - what has gravity got to do with 0-60 acceleration, except minor rolling friction? Mass is the issue.

ATG

22,940 posts

295 months

Wednesday 19th February 2003
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dannylt said:

Even though the W8’s engine stumps up 275bhp, it’s nowhere near enough power to overcome the forces of gravity.


Pedant mode on - what has gravity got to do with 0-60 acceleration, except minor rolling friction? Mass is the issue.


[wank mode]
Only in Newtonian physics. General Relativity says weight and mass are the same thing.
[wank mode]

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

278 months

Wednesday 19th February 2003
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ATG said:

dannylt said:

Even though the W8’s engine stumps up 275bhp, it’s nowhere near enough power to overcome the forces of gravity.


Pedant mode on - what has gravity got to do with 0-60 acceleration, except minor rolling friction? Mass is the issue.


[wank mode]
Only in Newtonian physics. General Relativity says weight and mass are the same thing.
[wank mode]



It actualy says mass and energy are interchangeable.
Weight is the force that a mass exerts due to gravity. The car would weigh nothing without gravity, but would still have the same mass (and would therefore have the same acceleration if you could get the any traction in a zero G situation..)

P*Ting

5,618 posts

281 months

Thursday 20th February 2003
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Which is competely irrelevant as you're both talking about inertia.

marki

15,763 posts

293 months

Friday 21st February 2003
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WalterU said:

v8thunder said: They've taken a Passat.. and made it thirstier.
Clever. Solutions clearly for the modern world.
'Volkswagen'? Don't believe a word of it...


spot on.

I think that the german car manufacturers have all been befallen by insanity. Each of the newer generation cars have become heavier and thirstier - and petrol prices are going through the roof.

MPG in single figures?!? ffs!!!!

Rgds, WalterU


Sitting at some traffic lights the other night in the Golf , on of the new Polo`s pulls along side ,, it seemed to be as big if not bigger than my Golf

Fatboy

8,253 posts

295 months

Friday 21st February 2003
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The new polo is the same size as a MK2 golf - the last one was advertised as being 'as big as the original golf' in the brochures!!!

anonymous-user

77 months

Monday 22nd December 2003
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Has anyone here bought one of these?

Was looking around the family wagon market and thought that a one year old version of this car is now amazingly good value. Even better, find the 6-speed version and you have reasonable performance from it!

Any comments?

rob350

52 posts

307 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2003
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My mate bought a year old one of these and loves it -- does mega motorway miles and it's really good for this. I've driven it a couple of times and it's not that much fun, loads of grip and high revs pull but dead steering, my Mondeo St220 daily driver is a lot better handling and easily as fast down a winding road.

red hot barrell

1 posts

231 months

Sunday 17th December 2006
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i would just like to say in my volkswagen passat w8,s deffence to pay as little as i did 9.000 for a car 3 years ago that was 46.000 pounds is a bargain.it looks great,it is packed full of gadgets and goes like stink!!!!!.on a run to brighton at speeds from 70 to 90 and the odd blast up to 140,32 to the gallon aint that bad,my 4.0ltr range rover was a lot worse.i dont know where some people get there information from but try having one for more than one day!,and dont drive it with your right foot through the floor and you will be very suprised.lol.

angrys3owner

15,855 posts

252 months

Monday 18th December 2006
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Someone in the car park here (at work) has got one of these, I always thought they looked like a top idea, but only 275bhp and THAT slow... yikes

mnewlyn

413 posts

274 months

Tuesday 19th December 2006
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No DSG?