RE: Shell launches Optimax-beater
RE: Shell launches Optimax-beater
Thursday 24th August 2006

Shell launches Optimax-beater

99RON fuel to deliver 'more power and responseiveness'


Optimax to take a back seat?
Optimax to take a back seat?
Shell UK has launched a new performance-oriented unleaded fuel: Shell V-Power.

Available across the UK, the 99RON petrol builds on the company's Optimax fuel launched in 2001, and is designed to provide even more power and responsiveness. It follows BP's launch of its 102 Unleaded brand recently (see link below).

Instrumental to Shell V-Power’s development has been the working relationship forged between Shell and Ferrari over the last 50 years across the Grand Prix circuits of the world. The Ferrari F1 car provides Shell scientists with a cutting-edge mobile laboratory enabling fuels to be developed and tested under the most severe conditions, benefiting from instant feedback and analysis. Findings are fed back into Shell’s road fuel development programmes.

The result: a fuel for customers who understand that not all fuels are the same, according to Shell.

  • It contains Shell's unique Friction Modification Technology (FMT) as used by the Formula 1 Ferrari team in their 2006 racing fuels. This is designed to help the engine turn more freely and improve performance -- according to Shell.
  • The octane rating of 99RON is designed to provide more power and improved responsiveness in many modern cars.
  • It contains a powerful cleaning formula designed to improve engine responsiveness by removing power-robbing deposits, helping the fuel to burn more effectively.

We've asked Shell how much it'll cost and are awaiting a reponse; we'll add that information here when it arrives.

Retail director John Rasmussen said: "This is a proud day for Shell Retail. Shell V-Power allows our customers to fill-up with a performance fuel derived directly from our Formula 1 technical partnership with Ferrari."

"Our relationship with Ferrari helped us introduce the first premium performance fuel to the UK market in 2001. Shell V-Power builds on that proven motor sport heritage, moving the market forward again; delivering hard-fought-for track-proven innovation, such as FMT, to the road and our customers."

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merlot

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1,543 posts

276 months

Thursday 24th August 2006
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Optimax already gone from my local.

jon-

16,534 posts

239 months

Thursday 24th August 2006
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Apparently this is availible at some pumps at the same price as optimax.

Always makes me laugh when MS credits Shell for the win in the post race conference. The difference a "new fuel" could have to an f1 car is negligible considering their strict restrictions, got to admire their marketing team for trying.

RacingTeatray

2,499 posts

239 months

Thursday 24th August 2006
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This stuff's been on sale in German for at least two years already.

I stuck a few tankfuls in my old A3 on the way skiing a while back and it certainly seemed to be good stuff. The car fair leapt off down the autobahn.

mcgral

14 posts

241 months

Thursday 24th August 2006
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And the prize for the highest number of times 'Ferrari' appears in a marketing passage goes to...! biglaugh

rejn

2,018 posts

245 months

Thursday 24th August 2006
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A dumb question from a non-engineer... Does higher octane petrol really make more power? confused

dean_ratpac

1,582 posts

301 months

Thursday 24th August 2006
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i was about to say this has been on the continent for ages! i thought it was something to do with the name V-power, and shell not being able to use it here in the UK, so ended up with name optimax.
As for Audi using V-Power diesel at le mans, i believe this far from what you would get at your local pump. i think it was probably closer to jet feul than pump station diesel.

Edited by dean_ratpac on Thursday 24th August 12:35

BogBeast

1,144 posts

286 months

Thursday 24th August 2006
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rejn said:
A dumb question from a non-engineer... Does higher octane petrol really make more power? confused


If your car is capable of taking advantage of it.. Either by turning up turbo/super charger boost or raising compression ratio... (to put it simply..)

carl_w

10,381 posts

281 months

Thursday 24th August 2006
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I went to the launch yesterday outside the Shell building on the south bank. Tiff Needell commentating, lots of old 'n' new Ferraris, Felipe Massa, Jodie Kidd. Surprised it didn't get more coverage. I've got some photos, but they're pretty crap.

Alfanatic

9,339 posts

242 months

Thursday 24th August 2006
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A higher octane rating has the potential to produce more power in an engine, but not all engines will take advantage. I don't know the technical details, but I believe that it allows more ignition advance as it resists pre ignition or knock or something like that.

I think engines with knock sensors will show an immediate benefit, and older engines or engines without complex management systems (perhaps carb fed engines?) may need to be tuned to show any benefit of a higher octane fuel.

I am sure there are many on here that can give a better explanation, so please correct me if I said anything dumb

RacingTeatray

2,499 posts

239 months

Thursday 24th August 2006
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Of the car's I've had, the car that always showed the most difference on Optimax was my old Mk2 Golf GTI 16v. There you really noticed the difference. I never tried V-Power in it though.

VladD

8,136 posts

288 months

Thursday 24th August 2006
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I don't buy Shell because Ferarri use it and they employ MS. See advertising does work.

BP Ultimate & Millers for me.

Top Trump

1,588 posts

244 months

Thursday 24th August 2006
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BogBeast said:
rejn said:
A dumb question from a non-engineer... Does higher octane petrol really make more power? confused


If your car is capable of taking advantage of it.. Either by turning up turbo/super charger boost or raising compression ratio... (to put it simply..)


Your car has to be tuned in such a way that it makes a difference. It makes a big difference to turbocharged cars as there is less engine-damaging detonation when boosting hard. Run a turbo car on regular 95 RON fuel and then compare the same car with a remapped ECU (advanced timing and fueling) running on 100 RON fuel, and the increase in power and torque becomes very noticeable.

A10ARF

477 posts

260 months

Thursday 24th August 2006
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dean_ratpac said:
i was about to say this has been on the continent for ages! i thought it was something to do with the name V-power, and shell not being able to use it here in the UK, so ended up with name optimax.


I thought the same, as I used it while in France this year.

Have to admit on that occation , I Couldn't tell the difference between V-Power & Optimax on my VR6.

Mind you, I was ' topping up ' with some optimax already left in the tank so wasn't running on 'pure V-power'.....

bunglist

545 posts

253 months

Thursday 24th August 2006
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I have seen it all over europe over the last few years, if i remeber rightly they even had it the shell garages in corfu.

But definately in france

GTRene

20,871 posts

247 months

Thursday 24th August 2006
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We in the Netherlands have this V-power for a few years but not that high octane as in Germany here its I believe RON97 and in Germany 102? not sure but the V-power here is much better then the normal superplus petrol and also more economical both wins but the 102 RON in Germany V-power is best! realy when you use 1/4 of the tank you can feel the extra power! nice...
GTRene

peter pan

1,253 posts

247 months

Thursday 24th August 2006
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At over £2 a litre (£2.42?) for BP 101 octane fuel, this looks like good value for money for 99RON fuel, provided you have a car that can tell the difference! My car cannot, but I have still tended to use optimax in it, because I tell myself the car seems to go better on it. Guess what what it works! Ah the power of the mind.

panthro

759 posts

241 months

Thursday 24th August 2006
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I will only be interested in this, if it is the same price as Optimax. I will be v dissapointed if Shell decide to replace Optimax with this and charge a higher premium. 99RON will make hardly any difference in my 172.

hendry

1,945 posts

305 months

Thursday 24th August 2006
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What is it with launching higher octane fuels for the relatively small part of the market that would be able to take advantage of it?

This all seems a bit mad. I'd be MORE interested in seeing pumps given up for E85 bi-ethanol fuel for exmaple, which I could get my car tuned for long-term, benefiting performance and giving support to sustainable energy resources.

Madness.

AND7 F

58 posts

241 months

Thursday 24th August 2006
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Don't Tesco already do 99RON at some stations?

rejn

2,018 posts

245 months

Thursday 24th August 2006
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Top Trump said:
BogBeast said:
rejn said:
A dumb question from a non-engineer... Does higher octane petrol really make more power? confused


If your car is capable of taking advantage of it.. Either by turning up turbo/super charger boost or raising compression ratio... (to put it simply..)


Your car has to be tuned in such a way that it makes a difference. It makes a big difference to turbocharged cars as there is less engine-damaging detonation when boosting hard. Run a turbo car on regular 95 RON fuel and then compare the same car with a remapped ECU (advanced timing and fueling) running on 100 RON fuel, and the increase in power and torque becomes very noticeable.


OK - but if I don't remap the car, would I notice any difference? My car is a new-ish TVR Tuscan?