LABOUR final attack on cars - TAXES TAXES TAXES
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6095680
motorists will be finally priced out under Labour... and there is nothing we can do about it
Mr Cameron also gave his backing to Liberal Democrat-controlled Richmond council's plans to charge the drivers of the most polluting vehicles higher parking fees.
and the Tories are going to give the final whack...
I have expressed via email my strong disappointment to Mr. Cameron
CAMEROND@parliament.uk
motorists will be finally priced out under Labour... and there is nothing we can do about it
Mr Cameron also gave his backing to Liberal Democrat-controlled Richmond council's plans to charge the drivers of the most polluting vehicles higher parking fees.
and the Tories are going to give the final whack...
I have expressed via email my strong disappointment to Mr. Cameron
CAMEROND@parliament.uk
Edited by aston67 on Sunday 29th October 23:40
actually it seems only the UKIP as more sense... pity they are not taken seriously
quote
www.ukip.org/index.php?menu=manifesto2005&page=manifesto2005otherpolicies
"TRANSPORT
There are always going to be calls for better and cheaper public transport but, for many journeys, road will remain the cheapest and most convenient means of transport both for freight and private use. While UKIP recognises the conflict between road building and environmental concerns, there was little justification for the government’s cutbacks in road building and maintenance. We regard adequate spending on roads as essential.
The EU is, however, embarking on considerable interference in our road transport. An extension of the Working Time Directive means increases in costs and a shortage of drivers. The Road Pricing Directive will put an electronic ‘spy’ in HGV cabs, purportedly for use with motorway tolls. The EU Transport White Paper speaks ominously about the "rational use of the car" and "shifting the modal balance" presumably against car use.
Similarly, our railways have been plagued by continual management restructuring since the EU obliged us to separate responsibility for train operations from tracks and infrastructure. We are now to be subjected to more directives controlling access rights and the "Third Railway Package" opening Britain’s passenger networks to rail companies from across the EU.
The UK Independence Party insists that transport in Britain, both road and rail, should be Britain’s own business. Outside the EU we shall be free to evaluate which rail management structures are best for safety and efficiency, including a possible return to the position where a single body controls track and train over given routes. UKIP welcomes the current expenditure on upgrading our railways and will continue it.
Regarding road usage, we favour more local autonomy over local traffic management. We shall consider raising some speed limits, particularly on motorways, where this can be done without impairing safety. We shall also confine the use of speed cameras to locations where there is an established safety risk. Maintaining unrealistic speed limits and arbitrarily trapping offenders only brings the law into contempt. "
quote
www.ukip.org/index.php?menu=manifesto2005&page=manifesto2005otherpolicies
"TRANSPORT
There are always going to be calls for better and cheaper public transport but, for many journeys, road will remain the cheapest and most convenient means of transport both for freight and private use. While UKIP recognises the conflict between road building and environmental concerns, there was little justification for the government’s cutbacks in road building and maintenance. We regard adequate spending on roads as essential.
The EU is, however, embarking on considerable interference in our road transport. An extension of the Working Time Directive means increases in costs and a shortage of drivers. The Road Pricing Directive will put an electronic ‘spy’ in HGV cabs, purportedly for use with motorway tolls. The EU Transport White Paper speaks ominously about the "rational use of the car" and "shifting the modal balance" presumably against car use.
Similarly, our railways have been plagued by continual management restructuring since the EU obliged us to separate responsibility for train operations from tracks and infrastructure. We are now to be subjected to more directives controlling access rights and the "Third Railway Package" opening Britain’s passenger networks to rail companies from across the EU.
The UK Independence Party insists that transport in Britain, both road and rail, should be Britain’s own business. Outside the EU we shall be free to evaluate which rail management structures are best for safety and efficiency, including a possible return to the position where a single body controls track and train over given routes. UKIP welcomes the current expenditure on upgrading our railways and will continue it.
Regarding road usage, we favour more local autonomy over local traffic management. We shall consider raising some speed limits, particularly on motorways, where this can be done without impairing safety. We shall also confine the use of speed cameras to locations where there is an established safety risk. Maintaining unrealistic speed limits and arbitrarily trapping offenders only brings the law into contempt. "
Sad isn't it?
I guess the only rational way of voting in the next election is Tory to get rid of the scumbags currently polluting the Houses of Parliament and then voting either pressuring them by voting for someone like UKIP in order that (Oh, my God!!!) we might have a sensible debate about matters which the British people actually care about.
It's sad that we can't vote for an opposition party who genuinely opposes the current "rulers" and that we have to decide on degrees of leaning towards the left or right.
What's also scary is that given the right exposure in the media and a couple of TV friendly faces, the UKIP (and sadly the BNP) could get a lot of votes - and that those votes could keep Gordon Brown in power long enough to really screw this country up for longer than he already has.....
I guess the only rational way of voting in the next election is Tory to get rid of the scumbags currently polluting the Houses of Parliament and then voting either pressuring them by voting for someone like UKIP in order that (Oh, my God!!!) we might have a sensible debate about matters which the British people actually care about.
It's sad that we can't vote for an opposition party who genuinely opposes the current "rulers" and that we have to decide on degrees of leaning towards the left or right.
What's also scary is that given the right exposure in the media and a couple of TV friendly faces, the UKIP (and sadly the BNP) could get a lot of votes - and that those votes could keep Gordon Brown in power long enough to really screw this country up for longer than he already has.....
lenny007 said:
I guess the only rational way of voting in the next election is Tory to get rid of the scumbags currently polluting the Houses of Parliament
For the record, the Tories have promised to up the
motorway speed limit from 70 mph to 80 mph.
I'm not sure if Dave "Blair V2.0" Cameron intends to
keep to his predecessor's promise.
How much a politician's promise is worth I wouldn't
like to comment.
Interesting to note how they're all taxes. These would obviously go to setting up green power sources, offsetting the remaining carbon emissions and imporving our general environment? 
....Or would they pay for a big retirment bash for 'cool Tone' and then a jolly into Iran or possibly North Korea as part of Bush's last horrah.
As a true petrol head I want to scream down an open road, not sit in traffic, so I'd happily leave my car at home and get a train or bus instead of crawl along at 5mph in a jam. Except it doesn't stop anywherre near my house, or where I work, or run on time, or cost a reasonable ammount. I mean, I got charged £7.50 for a one way tube journey on Sunday!! If they started offering incentives (like decent public transport, or better communications to work form home etc) to change peoples hearts and minds about 'green living' maybe that'd have a bigger effect. As it is, I find it a bit fishy that just like scameras, these green iniatives inherantly generate money and most of this won't be seen back by the people it's supposed to help.
I think it's important to go green, even if it means making some sacrifices. However, you can't try and punish people when the only benefits are to the exchequer. By all means offer a carrot and a stick, but make sure the carrot is there!!
On a positive note. A 190mph Yamaha R1 easily does 45mpg in everyday running and if we all started driving 450kg superlight clones, they'd hit 60 in 5 secs with a standard cat-equiped, euro 5 emissions compliant engine and return the same sort of economy on 4 wheels. It doesn't have to be quite as horrible as its made out, as long as you don't mind driving, say, a Caterham or Elise rather than a saloon
....Or would they pay for a big retirment bash for 'cool Tone' and then a jolly into Iran or possibly North Korea as part of Bush's last horrah.
As a true petrol head I want to scream down an open road, not sit in traffic, so I'd happily leave my car at home and get a train or bus instead of crawl along at 5mph in a jam. Except it doesn't stop anywherre near my house, or where I work, or run on time, or cost a reasonable ammount. I mean, I got charged £7.50 for a one way tube journey on Sunday!! If they started offering incentives (like decent public transport, or better communications to work form home etc) to change peoples hearts and minds about 'green living' maybe that'd have a bigger effect. As it is, I find it a bit fishy that just like scameras, these green iniatives inherantly generate money and most of this won't be seen back by the people it's supposed to help.
I think it's important to go green, even if it means making some sacrifices. However, you can't try and punish people when the only benefits are to the exchequer. By all means offer a carrot and a stick, but make sure the carrot is there!!
On a positive note. A 190mph Yamaha R1 easily does 45mpg in everyday running and if we all started driving 450kg superlight clones, they'd hit 60 in 5 secs with a standard cat-equiped, euro 5 emissions compliant engine and return the same sort of economy on 4 wheels. It doesn't have to be quite as horrible as its made out, as long as you don't mind driving, say, a Caterham or Elise rather than a saloon
lenny007 said:
Sad isn't it?
I guess the only rational way of voting in the next election is Tory to get rid of the scumbags currently polluting the Houses of Parliament and then voting either pressuring them by voting for someone like UKIP in order that (Oh, my God!!!) we might have a sensible debate about matters which the British people actually care about.
It's sad that we can't vote for an opposition party who genuinely opposes the current "rulers" and that we have to decide on degrees of leaning towards the left or right.
What's also scary is that given the right exposure in the media and a couple of TV friendly faces, the UKIP (and sadly the BNP) could get a lot of votes - and that those votes could keep Gordon Brown in power long enough to really screw this country up for longer than he already has.....
I guess the only rational way of voting in the next election is Tory to get rid of the scumbags currently polluting the Houses of Parliament and then voting either pressuring them by voting for someone like UKIP in order that (Oh, my God!!!) we might have a sensible debate about matters which the British people actually care about.
It's sad that we can't vote for an opposition party who genuinely opposes the current "rulers" and that we have to decide on degrees of leaning towards the left or right.
What's also scary is that given the right exposure in the media and a couple of TV friendly faces, the UKIP (and sadly the BNP) could get a lot of votes - and that those votes could keep Gordon Brown in power long enough to really screw this country up for longer than he already has.....
Don't you think the Tories will bring back their road fuel duty excalator.
read that brown is bringing it back and something so that when the fuel cost drops below a marker, the govt gets the cash and not the motorist or oil companies
i use a car to drive to site, no way i can use public transport unless in central london.
looked at one journey to go from bedford /cambridge area to somewhere near the greenwich dome, then across to south mimms and then some other site before going home....
i use a car to drive to site, no way i can use public transport unless in central london.
looked at one journey to go from bedford /cambridge area to somewhere near the greenwich dome, then across to south mimms and then some other site before going home....
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