Miliband wants to "combat car ownership and use"
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Oh, and charge more taxes on flying too. All he needs now is a train tax and we'll be taxed for setting foot outside our homes.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6095680
What about all that CO2 we breathe out? Perhaps we should have a breath tax.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6095680
What about all that CO2 we breathe out? Perhaps we should have a breath tax.
Yep Ben
They'll try and tax us off the roads.
(Us being the general public) The fat cats and politicians will be alright as they'll be able to afford the taxes.
Its time for us motorists to revolt. As I said in the Richmond thread. We must act now or drown under the tide of green taxes. I have setup the email address greentaxes@hotmail.co.uk if people want to join me in lobbying government.
They'll try and tax us off the roads.
(Us being the general public) The fat cats and politicians will be alright as they'll be able to afford the taxes. Its time for us motorists to revolt. As I said in the Richmond thread. We must act now or drown under the tide of green taxes. I have setup the email address greentaxes@hotmail.co.uk if people want to join me in lobbying government.
jubileejim said:
Yep Ben
They'll try and tax us off the roads. (Us being the general public) The fat cats and politicians will be alright as they'll be able to afford the taxes.
Its time for us motorists to revolt. As I said in the Richmond thread. We must act now or drown under the tide of green taxes. I have setup the email address greentaxes@hotmail.co.uk if people want to join me in lobbying government.
They'll try and tax us off the roads.
(Us being the general public) The fat cats and politicians will be alright as they'll be able to afford the taxes. Its time for us motorists to revolt. As I said in the Richmond thread. We must act now or drown under the tide of green taxes. I have setup the email address greentaxes@hotmail.co.uk if people want to join me in lobbying government.
I agree. It's all well and good whingeing about it but if that's all we do, we can see big increases in taxes over the next couple of years as more councils adopt the get-rich-quick scheme. Also need to stop this nonsense with ramping up council taxes too.
The environment is one of those topics (like religion) which can be used to hide behind and which it is impossible to argue against without looking insensitive or selfish and nasty.
However someone has to stand up and state the obvious. In the UK in the majority of cases outside of inner city commuting, there is no practical alternative to the car.
Even if part of the journey can be undertaken by train you still need a car at each end of the journey.
In addition the costs of using public transport are massive in comparison with using a car.
For example 40 mile each way journey by train from Theale to Ealing broadway costs £18.70 plus £3.00 to park at Theale station. The journey takes about 1:30 hours of train travel depending on the connection at Reading plus 30mins of getting to and from the stations to office/home at each end. If I take my diesel estate car it costs me two gallons of diesel and takes 1:15 hours door to door. So 3 x the cost to go by train and it takes longer. Even if I take my TVR it is still cheaper than travelling by train,
Plus with the car I can go when I want, carry items of luggage, go shopping on the way home, etc etc etc.
So if the government was serious about persuding people to use public transport then they would make the public transport attractive.
They have to raise the price of car ownership a long way until it becomes more costly than the public transport. Of course they know that, they know we do the sums too. So in the mean time raising the cost of car ownership is simply an easy way for a politician to raise tax in a politically correct defendable way.
However someone has to stand up and state the obvious. In the UK in the majority of cases outside of inner city commuting, there is no practical alternative to the car.
Even if part of the journey can be undertaken by train you still need a car at each end of the journey.
In addition the costs of using public transport are massive in comparison with using a car.
For example 40 mile each way journey by train from Theale to Ealing broadway costs £18.70 plus £3.00 to park at Theale station. The journey takes about 1:30 hours of train travel depending on the connection at Reading plus 30mins of getting to and from the stations to office/home at each end. If I take my diesel estate car it costs me two gallons of diesel and takes 1:15 hours door to door. So 3 x the cost to go by train and it takes longer. Even if I take my TVR it is still cheaper than travelling by train,
Plus with the car I can go when I want, carry items of luggage, go shopping on the way home, etc etc etc.
So if the government was serious about persuding people to use public transport then they would make the public transport attractive.
They have to raise the price of car ownership a long way until it becomes more costly than the public transport. Of course they know that, they know we do the sums too. So in the mean time raising the cost of car ownership is simply an easy way for a politician to raise tax in a politically correct defendable way.
There's an online petition about this at [url]www.petitiononline.com/greentax/petition.html[/url]
I thought I would call their bluff by checking my carbon footprint at The Carbon Neutral Shop (formerly Future Forests). For my high performance car it came to £31 for a year's worth of carbon offset at avergae mileage (12,000). So how can Miliband possibly justify the couple of grand he wants to charge for VED?
I'm not suggesting that anyone necessarily buy from them (it's all probably bunk anyway) but it could be a good tactic to expose just what a rip-off this "green tax" scam is.
I've actually gone and bought some trees off them myself. Not because I believe in any of it, but purely as a tactic. I'll be firing off a letter to Gordon Brown demanding a refund of my fuel duty and seeking immunity from all future "green taxes".
Anyone up for seeking a judicial review of these taxes if they try to impose them?
I thought I would call their bluff by checking my carbon footprint at The Carbon Neutral Shop (formerly Future Forests). For my high performance car it came to £31 for a year's worth of carbon offset at avergae mileage (12,000). So how can Miliband possibly justify the couple of grand he wants to charge for VED?
I'm not suggesting that anyone necessarily buy from them (it's all probably bunk anyway) but it could be a good tactic to expose just what a rip-off this "green tax" scam is.
I've actually gone and bought some trees off them myself. Not because I believe in any of it, but purely as a tactic. I'll be firing off a letter to Gordon Brown demanding a refund of my fuel duty and seeking immunity from all future "green taxes".
Anyone up for seeking a judicial review of these taxes if they try to impose them?
ACTUALLY I WOULDN'T MIND IT TOO MUCH
if...
All the death traps were taken off the roads, ie nova's where the 'cool body decals' are thicker than the brake pads!
The non-taxed non-insured cars were crushed and recycled.
Those driving without a licence were forced to wear a tag wich electrocuted the wearer as sooner as they got in a car.
The pot holes were filled.
Roadworks were just that, and not two years worth of twelve miles of cones, reducing a 3 lanes 70mph motorway to a 1 lane 40mph!
The driving test module had another 'theory test' type practical, where you have to prove you can change a wheel, jumpstart, change the oil, brakes, replace a light unit etc.
Maybe then i'd be prepared to pay more. Not until.
They want to price cars off the road? See where they stand without cars.... Rolling road block anyone? Adhereing to all safe and sensible driving laws, naturally.
overtaxed said:
I've actually gone and bought some trees off them myself. Not because I believe in any of it, but purely as a tactic. I'll be firing off a letter to Gordon Brown demanding a refund of my fuel duty and seeking immunity from all future "green taxes".
Just to put it into perspective, how much tree (or grass, or whatever) does it take to offset the CO2 production of a typical car?
C'mon people - it's typical New Labour spin here!!!
Leak the most extreme version of what you REALLY want and then the populace will grudgingly accept the watered down version - "hey, it could've been worse".
As i live and breath, the sooner these blood sucking idiots get toed out of government, the sooner i'll enjoy a good nights sleep.
Leak the most extreme version of what you REALLY want and then the populace will grudgingly accept the watered down version - "hey, it could've been worse".
As i live and breath, the sooner these blood sucking idiots get toed out of government, the sooner i'll enjoy a good nights sleep.
overtaxed said:
Bump.
Some days later and only 42 signature lines, one of them voided.
I would create a petition about apathy ... but I can't be bothered.
tvrn said:
The environment is one of those topics (like religion) which can be used to hide behind and which it is impossible to argue against without looking insensitive or selfish and nasty.
Like religion? "Climate" now is the new religion - the facts got left behind long ago in favour of the Commandments of Climate:
* Man alone can affect Climate.
* Expensive goods are detrimental to Climate.
* Fun is detrimental to Climate.
* Being pious and miserable is beneficial to Climate.
Climate is becoming a pseudo-scientific god - rewarding those who lead puritanical lives with eternal sunshine and abundant harvests, punishing the hedonistic unbeliever with floods, earthquakes and an uninhabitable planet. We're already seeing from the various attempts of PHers to contact their MPs that any attempt to question the dogma of Climate, or to undermine it with accepted research, will be immediately stonewalled.
What was it that Marx said? “Religion is an opiate of the masses” - it diverts people away from the real source of oppression and keeps the ruling class in power; it threatens eternal damnation to those who attempt to revolt.
I really want to see people live less wastefully and more in tune with their natural surroundings, but most of all I want to see any approach towards this be rigorously scientific - that process of asking, "Is there a problem? What exactly is the problem? What are the causes of the problem? What is the best way to minimise the causes and mitigate their effects?"
The whole, "Climate is angered, and the prophet Milliband has spoken: thou shalt not indulge in travel!" approach is, quite frankly, pathetic from a party that's just been banging on about how important science is.
They should tax sh*t.
Then all MP's would be bankrupt by virtue of the amount that comes out of Westminster.
They will never fully embrace bio-fuels because they are scared about causing the downfall of middle eastern governments which are oil rich.
And that taxing tosser Brown said something almost sensible this week - that should we shut the British economy down completely, and emit no CO2, the Chinese will more than make up for it in a week with the amount of dirty coal powerstations that they are putting online.
I thought China was a nuclear nation, and would use Nuclear power, not dirty coal.
They say we should pay for the miles we do.
We already do, it's called road fuel duty. The more miles you do, the more fuel you use, the more you pay. And if you have a "gas guzzler", you pay more than someone with a 1L Corsa.
Like someone said.
When their ship arrives to take them back to the planet from whence they came, 'cause they certainly ain't from this one.
Media driven hyped up boll*cks.
Rob.
Then all MP's would be bankrupt by virtue of the amount that comes out of Westminster.
They will never fully embrace bio-fuels because they are scared about causing the downfall of middle eastern governments which are oil rich.
And that taxing tosser Brown said something almost sensible this week - that should we shut the British economy down completely, and emit no CO2, the Chinese will more than make up for it in a week with the amount of dirty coal powerstations that they are putting online.
I thought China was a nuclear nation, and would use Nuclear power, not dirty coal.
They say we should pay for the miles we do.
We already do, it's called road fuel duty. The more miles you do, the more fuel you use, the more you pay. And if you have a "gas guzzler", you pay more than someone with a 1L Corsa.
Like someone said.
When their ship arrives to take them back to the planet from whence they came, 'cause they certainly ain't from this one.
Media driven hyped up boll*cks.
Rob.
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