Your Freedom and Climate Change
Discussion
But Peter Hitchens deserves to be booed for so many reasons!
However, that is a good article on the idea of dogma - even challeging or questioning one part of the whole debate is apparently unacceptable now. "Of course man is destroying the planet, the bloke on News at Ten told us so!". The irony is that if the pro-MMGW were less black & white in their arguments, talking of "balance of probabilities" and "need for contingencies", I honestly believe they would put across a much stronger argument.
However, that is a good article on the idea of dogma - even challeging or questioning one part of the whole debate is apparently unacceptable now. "Of course man is destroying the planet, the bloke on News at Ten told us so!". The irony is that if the pro-MMGW were less black & white in their arguments, talking of "balance of probabilities" and "need for contingencies", I honestly believe they would put across a much stronger argument.
www.ippr.org/publicationsandreports/publication.asp?id=485
a nice essay from IPPR on how to brainwash on climate change media and masses...
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This report was commissioned by the Institute for Public Policy Research (ippr) as part of its project on how
to stimulate climate-friendly behaviour in the UK. Putting in place effective policies to achieve that is
clearly essential, but so too is the use of effective communications.
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more green propaganda tools...
....In later stages of our project, it is likely that we will want to look at informal lay discourse, to assess how
different groups of people themselves talk about climate change – whether in naturally occurring forms or
through interviews and groups.
It is also likely that further work will be needed to inform particular
communications objectives for specific target groups.
The results of any such work will be published in a
final report outlining the findings of the whole project, as well as practical examples of how the findings
might be applied by government and others seeking to change public behaviour on climate change.
a nice essay from IPPR on how to brainwash on climate change media and masses...
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This report was commissioned by the Institute for Public Policy Research (ippr) as part of its project on how
to stimulate climate-friendly behaviour in the UK. Putting in place effective policies to achieve that is
clearly essential, but so too is the use of effective communications.
////
more green propaganda tools...
....In later stages of our project, it is likely that we will want to look at informal lay discourse, to assess how
different groups of people themselves talk about climate change – whether in naturally occurring forms or
through interviews and groups.
It is also likely that further work will be needed to inform particular
communications objectives for specific target groups.
The results of any such work will be published in a
final report outlining the findings of the whole project, as well as practical examples of how the findings
might be applied by government and others seeking to change public behaviour on climate change.
Imagine that you're on an invincible cruise ship.
Let us call it the Titanic.
People say, over the speakers, trhat the invincible is sinking.
Some folks go to the lifeboats.
Most folks just go to the bar.
It's stupid in this country.
They give you countless photos of melting ice caps. You can't do a thing.
Ridiculous.
If the local councils had a brain....
Charge the pub to recycle glass bottles. Refuse you to put certain plastics in your bin.
Little kids, in the primary school, terrified enough to recycle 98% of their paper in the green bin. Then the STUPID council won't collect it free, as they classify the school as a business.
This is all about "joined up thinking" as you know.
Europe is there, but the UK's councils cannot see.
They're only taking £2,000 a year from you. Maybe that explains it.
Let us call it the Titanic.
People say, over the speakers, trhat the invincible is sinking.
Some folks go to the lifeboats.
Most folks just go to the bar.
It's stupid in this country.
They give you countless photos of melting ice caps. You can't do a thing.
Ridiculous.
If the local councils had a brain....
Charge the pub to recycle glass bottles. Refuse you to put certain plastics in your bin.
Little kids, in the primary school, terrified enough to recycle 98% of their paper in the green bin. Then the STUPID council won't collect it free, as they classify the school as a business.
This is all about "joined up thinking" as you know.
Europe is there, but the UK's councils cannot see.
They're only taking £2,000 a year from you. Maybe that explains it.
sean5302 said:
Imagine that you're on an invincible cruise ship.
Let us call it the Titanic.
People say, over the speakers, trhat the invincible is sinking.
Some folks go to the lifeboats.
Most folks just go to the bar.
It's stupid in this country.
They give you countless photos of melting ice caps. You can't do a thing.
Ridiculous.
If the local councils had a brain....
Charge the pub to recycle glass bottles. Refuse you to put certain plastics in your bin.
Little kids, in the primary school, terrified enough to recycle 98% of their paper in the green bin. Then the STUPID council won't collect it free, as they classify the school as a business.
This is all about "joined up thinking" as you know.
Europe is there, but the UK's councils cannot see.
They're only taking £2,000 a year from you. Maybe that explains it.
Let us call it the Titanic.
People say, over the speakers, trhat the invincible is sinking.
Some folks go to the lifeboats.
Most folks just go to the bar.
It's stupid in this country.
They give you countless photos of melting ice caps. You can't do a thing.
Ridiculous.
If the local councils had a brain....
Charge the pub to recycle glass bottles. Refuse you to put certain plastics in your bin.
Little kids, in the primary school, terrified enough to recycle 98% of their paper in the green bin. Then the STUPID council won't collect it free, as they classify the school as a business.
This is all about "joined up thinking" as you know.
Europe is there, but the UK's councils cannot see.
They're only taking £2,000 a year from you. Maybe that explains it.
I’m not sure about that. There seem to be lots of things to do. At home there is insulation, CFLs, switching off, using green electricity, recycling, not buying pointless stuff like bottled water and coca cola, or wasting food. These are just things that don’t cost anything. For transport we can see which journeys we can do by walking, cycling, bus, train, car sharing, and by doing more than one task per journey. At work we can ask for recycling bins, ask them to use recycled paper, and to print double-sided, switch everything off when we leave, make sure the windows are shut if there is heating or aircon on.
Just because its become fashionable for people to jump on the band wagon doesnt mean that it isnt happenng. It was reported many many years ago and people have slowly come on board over a long period of time. It isnt new its just that its becoming more apparent and people are gettting more and more scarred.
The real problem is globalisation and the creation of wealth, which by definition is the creation of demand and energy consumption. Coupled with this growth in demand is Global population explosion creating an ever increasing demand for those goods and the energy to make and power them.
However if we continue to help the poor Countries become richer then we have to accept that we must become poorer or the PLanet runs evn faster towards massive energy consumption. Now massive Energy consumption is fine if you can provide a clean source of energy......discuss
The real problem is globalisation and the creation of wealth, which by definition is the creation of demand and energy consumption. Coupled with this growth in demand is Global population explosion creating an ever increasing demand for those goods and the energy to make and power them.
However if we continue to help the poor Countries become richer then we have to accept that we must become poorer or the PLanet runs evn faster towards massive energy consumption. Now massive Energy consumption is fine if you can provide a clean source of energy......discuss
it does not mean either that global warming is true or that it is manking the MAIN and determining factor
I do my bit for the planet but I am deeply disturbed by the eco-fascists and politicians that have suddenly decided that we have to go back to the stone age and feel guilty about all the good things achieved nowadays
the massive consumption is never going to happen all in one go: it is gradual and there are different sources of energy. For your information the oil sands reserves in Canada are so HUGE that the US (if they see fit) can well stop being bothered by the middle east oil reserves. And it can happen with a sudden withdraw from Iraq
China, India are consuming a lot (true) but in a very and highly inefficient way
on this side of the planet the stupid London buses are generating more pollution than ever and they run 24 hours a day. While if you and me drive by car, we can (and will) turn the engine off when our destination has been reached
The eco-fascists and the green-communists are going to drive the world into economic depression for their own benefit: discuss
I do my bit for the planet but I am deeply disturbed by the eco-fascists and politicians that have suddenly decided that we have to go back to the stone age and feel guilty about all the good things achieved nowadays
the massive consumption is never going to happen all in one go: it is gradual and there are different sources of energy. For your information the oil sands reserves in Canada are so HUGE that the US (if they see fit) can well stop being bothered by the middle east oil reserves. And it can happen with a sudden withdraw from Iraq
China, India are consuming a lot (true) but in a very and highly inefficient way
on this side of the planet the stupid London buses are generating more pollution than ever and they run 24 hours a day. While if you and me drive by car, we can (and will) turn the engine off when our destination has been reached
The eco-fascists and the green-communists are going to drive the world into economic depression for their own benefit: discuss
Edited by aston67 on Tuesday 7th November 23:51
aston67 said:
The eco-fascists and the green-communists are going to drive the world into economic depression for their own benefit: discuss
Actually Aston67 I have to disagree there...... Not that I want to defend the eco-fascists or indeed the green communists either....but: They are just being used.
It seems to me that this "scam" is being worked upon us by faceless people with a great deal more money and power than the aforesaid. No, my friend, you are looking in the wrong direction..someone has other motives for this deception...These "people" have more power than governments, and their own agenda to fulfill.....All I know is: it has to do with "globalism", is discussed at the G8 and other meetings...but is never ever, reported in detail to the people..
BTW...these car manufacturers don't seem to be worried by climate change....who do you suppose will buy these cars?... http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?d Certainly not..Eco warriors! Perhaps the "faceless" ones intend to keep such things "just for themselves" in the future?..
Great Video tho' even if it is in german.....
Edited by 8Pack on Wednesday 8th November 03:09
Alex said:
Scary.
I'm a climate change denier and proud of it!
I'm a climate change denier and proud of it!
I'm not a CW "denier" but I believe it's part of a natural cycle. The Earth's climate is an unstable entity. We have had both ice ages and tropical forests at the poles; real extremes in our past - it's not always been like this but governments have latched onto the idea as the next big control issue. Cold War ? Same thing. Terrorism ? An element of the same. If you remember, it was first known as Global Warming. Climate Change is a subtle shift and much more flexible a term.
Pop into your local library and borrow a copy of "State of Fear" by Michael Crichton. Not the greatest story ever told but the bibliography at the back of the book is excellent. Lots of informed scientific opinion that basically says the whole thing is not of man's doing. IIRC, according to the doomsayers some ten years ago the Seychelles and other low-lying islands should have been submerged by now. Lat time I checked they were still above sea level.
Climate Change ? Yeah, it's real. On the scale/timeline they're pushing ? I don't think they have a clue but there are now whole armies of "research" folk who depend upon it for their funding.
Sorry Marcus, you must watch better quality films than me.
Yes this is a model exercise in brainwashing. Not dissimilar to 'The war on terror will last 50 years'. For that read, 'We are going to impose restrictions on your freedom and living standards FOREVER.' Its not what has happened to date that worries me - its what is going to happen.
Yes this is a model exercise in brainwashing. Not dissimilar to 'The war on terror will last 50 years'. For that read, 'We are going to impose restrictions on your freedom and living standards FOREVER.' Its not what has happened to date that worries me - its what is going to happen.
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