RE: Row erupts over MoT testing
RE: Row erupts over MoT testing
Thursday 30th November 2006

Row erupts over MoT testing

Yearly tests must stay, say small garages, or bad things will happen


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A row has broken out over MoT testing.

The Independent Garage Association (IGA) has taken umbrage at the Chancellor Gordon Brown's recent description of annual MoT testing as "little more than red tape" and his suggestion that it could be changed to once every two years. The IGA said this would be "seriously misguided and would be disastrous for MOT testing stations", arguing that it would cost motorists more in the long run, as well as being bad for the environment.

The Chancellor made his remarks in a speech to the CBI yesterday. It follows the publication of a report, Risk Responsibility and Regulation, by the Better Regulation Commission (see link below) which questioned whether, because today's cars are safer and more reliable, it would be sensible to push back the first year of testing to the fourth year.

IGA director Ray Holloway said: "So-called red tape aside, the case for change does not stack up in several crucial areas, namely safety, environmental and cost. The UK has one of the best road safety records in Europe, thanks to the annual MOT test for older vehicles.

"Newer vehicles require similar attention in order to maintain safe standards: in fact, Government figures state that around 18 per cent of them fail their first MOT test after three years. With the current annual test comfortably in place, the MOT failure rate is over 30 per cent: that’s almost eight million defective vehicles detected because they must go through this rigorous procedure. Imagine, around 50 per cent of all vehicles could be unfit for road use if only tested every two years.

"Another negative outcome will be a detrimental effect on environmental targets. Around 15 per cent of vehicles tested now fail a MOT because they do not meet emissions requirements: testing every two years can only lead to more seriously polluting vehicles staying longer on UK roads before being detected.

"Also, the Chancellor’s words seem worryingly premature; the Department for Transport (DFT) is to consult all interested parties during 2007 on whether roadworthiness testing of our vehicles should be done less frequently, with an assumption that this would save motorists money. We very much doubt this in the long-term. If older vehicles are not checked annually, this may lead to more expensive long-standing problems for owners.

"The Treasury may even pick up a sizeable cost as this two-year proposal would be utterly disastrous for technicians employed as MOT testers. The business owners at the sharp end -- many of them small or medium-sized in rural areas -- would lose vital income and may not survive. What supportive message is this sending out to a UK economy already groaning under Government interference?

"The IGA is in discussion with both the Vehicle and Operator Services Agency (VOSA) and the DFT on the appalling implications for the vehicle owners - as well as the MOT testing sector - should the Government’s unrealistic plan be seriously considered."

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mybrainhurts

Original Poster:

90,809 posts

278 months

Thursday 30th November 2006
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Gordon advocating less regulation..?

Whatever next....Prescott stringing a whole sentence together?

MGV8

1,657 posts

294 months

Thursday 30th November 2006
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I think making shore all cars that are on the road have a MOT would be beter use of his time.

MJK 24

5,670 posts

259 months

Thursday 30th November 2006
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Completely ridiculous.

Change the system so that new cars have an MOT test at 1 year old like Trucks, Minibuses etc.

The number of 1 and two year old cars driving around with lights out and defective tyres is considerable. Letting these cars go another year before the ticket is ludicrous.

I think there could be argued a case for a test every 6 months. An annual MOT followed 6 months later by a check of tyres, brakes, lights etc. People are too lazy / ignorant to do this themselves then maybe they should pay for it to be done.

jondude

2,430 posts

240 months

Thursday 30th November 2006
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Disagree.

Those people who are too lazy or plain stupid should not be the reason everyone else has to deal with the timewasting and cost of the MOT.

That kind of minority rule has brought Britain to its knees.

Those who keep their cars serviced and roadworthy deserve a break.

The police should get off their arses and gather in the rest. That is, in theory, their job.

MJK 24

5,670 posts

259 months

Thursday 30th November 2006
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jondude said:
Disagree.

Those people who are too lazy or plain stupid should not be the reason everyone else has to deal with the timewasting and cost of the MOT.

That kind of minority rule has brought Britain to its knees.

Those who keep their cars serviced and roadworthy deserve a break.

The police should get off their arses and gather in the rest. That is, in theory, their job.


I dare say that at any one time there are more unroadworthy cars than roadworthy on the roads. We need to toughen up and not slack off IMO.

ploz

89 posts

252 months

Thursday 30th November 2006
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There is a half-way house here. While a car is still in warranty there is a large incentive for the owner to use a manufacturer authorised service centre for servicing and a large incentive for the manufacturer to ensure that the car is maintained to the highest standard at the same time. As warranty periods for obvious reseons reflect the reliability of the car / brand, it could be safe to put off the first MOT until a car runs out of warranty (whether by mileage or time).

The added bonus would be that it would encourage manufacturers a little more to offer the longest warranty that they dare - and that would benefit us all.

Neil_c

61 posts

254 months

Thursday 30th November 2006
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The Gov't obviously don't make much money of MOTs then.

Of all the pathetic regulations there are to reduce they actually look at changing something that seems eminently sensible as it is.

MarkoTVR

1,139 posts

257 months

Thursday 30th November 2006
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jondude said:
Those people who are too lazy or plain stupid should not be the reason everyone else has to deal with the timewasting and cost of the MOT.

It's an hour or so and forty-odd quid once per year. Don't get me wrong, I don't look forward to it, but is that really such a hassle? If something is wrong with the car, even if it's just a split CV boot or something, then it was expense that was needed anyway whether or not it makes the car feel or handle/perform any different.

As for not caring about other people poorly maintaining cars, a chap I know used to run a garage with an MOT testing station and as an example has in the past seen a car come in for an MOT with nylon rope holding one of the lower ball joints on. When that, or other such idiotic bodge jobs fail and cause an accident with a pefectly maintained car and write it off (or worse hurt the occupants), I imagine that would be having to 'deal with the timewasting and cost of the MOT' in a significantly more unpleasant way.

I don't agree with having to pay out to cater for the lowest common denominator, as seems to be the way in so many other circumstances in the UK, but with driving skills as generally crap as they seem to be these days I think the least we should expect is for all vehicles to be 'roadworthy' to a measurable degree.

People who do keep their cars roadworthy should get a break, maybe with reducing charges for each consecutive year they keep the same vehicle up to scratch, but it should still be an annual test IMO.


Edited by MarkoTVR on Thursday 30th November 12:30


Edited by MarkoTVR on Thursday 30th November 12:30

autoart

153 posts

232 months

Thursday 30th November 2006
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The problem with MOT's is that they are only valid at the time the car was checked. You might have passed with flying colours and then driven onto one of the many A roads in this country, hit a pot hole and knock your suspension geometry out, making the car less than road worthy.

I don't have a problem with paying my way on the road, if that money was actually put back into maintaining our roads. I like in Bedford and the quality of the road network here is dreadful, thank god I'm not driving my Elise any more on these roads!!

turbochris

15 posts

233 months

Thursday 30th November 2006
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I think now that the MOT test is computerised mileage should come into play! for example a car should have an MOT every two years or 5k miles (which ever is soonest).

My Caterham only covered 800 miles between MOT's this year and is kept in a garage when not in use, seems a bit wrong having to pay £40 for an MOT when it was only done 800 miles ago! Same goes for Road TAX!

blueyes

4,799 posts

275 months

Thursday 30th November 2006
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In Italy you get your first MOT at 4 years then one every two years.

Accidents in 2005 due to vehicle defects was just over 2%.

BogBeast

1,144 posts

286 months

Thursday 30th November 2006
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turbochris said:
..pay £40 for an MOT when it was only done 800 miles...

£50 now.... (fuggin pirates..)

Dougie.

177 posts

259 months

Thursday 30th November 2006
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Pushing the MOT for new cars back to four years is a stupid idea. There's many company cars at three years old with 100k on the clock and have spent that whole time delivering boilers and radiators. I saw loads of them in my old job which were just about ready for the knackers yard.

MitchT

17,089 posts

232 months

Thursday 30th November 2006
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blueyes said:
In Italy you get your first MOT at 4 years then one every two years.

Accidents in 2005 due to vehicle defects was just over 2%.


That means nothing without knowing how it compares to countries with different MOT rules.

Buttmonkey Racer

453 posts

246 months

Thursday 30th November 2006
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IIRC its every 2 years in Spain

yellowlady

6 posts

233 months

Thursday 30th November 2006
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My concern is that the condition of vehicles is increasingly at risk because of speed humps and badly maintained roads full of pot holes, etc. So it's just crazy to test vehicles LESS frequently. Also, vehicles just seem so flimsy that even a gentle kerb nudge can so damage.

Also, to move the first MOT test to 4 years (as per Italy) would be annoying - I like to have a vehicle tested when it's just inside its 3 year warranty so the manufacturer sorts out any faults! (And I'd rather bite my arm off than drive a Hyundai with a 5 year warranty...)

Rob_the_Sparky

1,000 posts

261 months

Thursday 30th November 2006
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I get the impression that behind this is pressure from the EU to come into line with their lower standards. Probably only reason to do this is political... Lowering our standards can't be a good thing, especially if so many cars currently fail. If pass rate was very high then maybe there would be a good reason to increase the intervals.

If you want to junk anything make it the Road Fund Licence. Just display insurance and MOT on car and ditch the RFL, but of course they will never do that as it is a huge stealth tax.

Rob

lolaking

11 posts

239 months

Thursday 30th November 2006
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I disagree with increasing MOT's to 2 years. Although taking your car for an MOT is a bit of a pain it does give drivers who know little about cars (most people) a safety net for problems that they can't recognise themselves. It also offers a level of confidence in their vehicle. I believe it's £50 well spent.

Mileage cannot be used in this equation as 1) it is too easy to tamper with, 2) it is not accurately recorded anywhere at this point in time.

aston67

872 posts

253 months

Thursday 30th November 2006
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"Italians do it better"

bonedaddy

303 posts

250 months

Thursday 30th November 2006
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How about two levels of MOT alternating each year.

Major Test - as the existing full test. £50.00

Safety Test - cut-down version covering Brakes, Tyres, Lights, Seatbelts etc. £25.00

At least then the most important stuff is still checked every year.

Rob