Paying per mile; what's the cost now
Discussion
The government-sponsored Eddington report says we motorists might pay £1.30/mile to drive on busy roads. That is a massive tax increase as we currently pay £x/mile to drive already.
Take the road fund license, add in fuel duty and divide by the average motorist's miles per year and miles per gallon and what do we come up with?
Could it be £2.50/mile already? Could it be more?
We already have road-charging and the government is talking about a massive increase in road taxation unless the road fund license and fuel duty are altered.
If they are abolished are we talking about a road-charging decrease or what?
Anybody care to hazard a guestimation at what we currently pay per mile to drive on average?
Chris.
Take the road fund license, add in fuel duty and divide by the average motorist's miles per year and miles per gallon and what do we come up with?
Could it be £2.50/mile already? Could it be more?
We already have road-charging and the government is talking about a massive increase in road taxation unless the road fund license and fuel duty are altered.
If they are abolished are we talking about a road-charging decrease or what?
Anybody care to hazard a guestimation at what we currently pay per mile to drive on average?
Chris.
Can you imagine just how much the cost of living will go up. to start with think of a truck and what it already costs to run one then add an average of 500 miles of road charge per day over an average 5 days a week! it just cant work. then add buses and the rest. The country would simply stop!
If you look on the AA's website, it will give you the "going rates" for mileage.
If they bring in road pricing, which is looking likely, people should seriously consider where they live and where they work. I can see some de-centralisation by some companies, though there will be those that will just pay up, and add it to the bill.
95% of my work is for customers like NHS, Police, & Fire Brigades, the rest is for a couple of councils, I could say 100% public bodies. I will just add any charges to my bill, plus a handling charge for the temerity of them charging me in the first place!
What it means is that by charging me for my miles covered on their behalf, will cost the government more that it receives!!!!
It might make the long distance commuters think again - I know of some people who drive around 75miles each way each day. That'll cost them between £150 and £300 a day.
It would therefore be cheaper for them to either move close to their work, or take a lower paid job closer to home!
Also, expect the non-trunk roads getting clogged up, and weight limits - down to 2T - on lots and lots of roads, with "weight cameras" all over the place to add to their revenues!
Rob.
If they bring in road pricing, which is looking likely, people should seriously consider where they live and where they work. I can see some de-centralisation by some companies, though there will be those that will just pay up, and add it to the bill.
95% of my work is for customers like NHS, Police, & Fire Brigades, the rest is for a couple of councils, I could say 100% public bodies. I will just add any charges to my bill, plus a handling charge for the temerity of them charging me in the first place!
What it means is that by charging me for my miles covered on their behalf, will cost the government more that it receives!!!!
It might make the long distance commuters think again - I know of some people who drive around 75miles each way each day. That'll cost them between £150 and £300 a day.
It would therefore be cheaper for them to either move close to their work, or take a lower paid job closer to home!
Also, expect the non-trunk roads getting clogged up, and weight limits - down to 2T - on lots and lots of roads, with "weight cameras" all over the place to add to their revenues!
Rob.
thunderbelmont said:
It might make the long distance commuters think again - I know of some people who drive around 75miles each way each day. That'll cost them between £150 and £300 a day.
Oh, come on - you're just being softened up. You should ignore these preposterous figures otherwise when the actual charges to come in they'll be a fraction of the figures being bandied about and everyone will breathe a sigh of relief.
bigdods said:
My employer will pay any road charge fees I run up, probably the same with a lot of regular road users. No doubt the tax man will tax me for this perk, thereby gaining even more income from it !.
Anything your employer pays you will be deducted from his own tax bill so when the taxman charges you for the perk, I think the net effect will be zero.
deva link said:
thunderbelmont said:
It might make the long distance commuters think again - I know of some people who drive around 75miles each way each day. That'll cost them between £150 and £300 a day.
Oh, come on - you're just being softened up. You should ignore these preposterous figures otherwise when the actual charges to come in they'll be a fraction of the figures being bandied about and everyone will breathe a sigh of relief.
The "softening-up" tactic is used all the time in business shananigans. When it's all done we'll be expected to show grattitute to the Labour lot to be ripped off just slightly less then we thought. Like hell!Stupid thing is, if they reduce or abolish fuel tax and road tax (as Eddington suggests) and charge per mile at the previously suggested rates, my motoring costs per annum will probably go down! And I drive an M5 and a Land Rover...
Surely the main people who will suffer are 'lower quartile' earners who have to drive to work or people in the country without convenient public transport?
How are they going to force people to put tracking devices in cars? And keep the data collected, secure under data protection laws? And satisfy human rights laws? etc etc etc.
Only way to do this is to have road tolls with huge installation, monitoring and manning costs - ultimately driving people into using minor and populated routes to avoid the tolls. The M6 toll road is empty day and night whenever I've used it, no matter how clogged up the M6 is... (always good for a licence losing speed with little or no risk of being caught... allegedly)
And if some f@cker thinks he's gonna put a black box in my car, I'm afraid it's gonna go wrong lots or become accidently disconnected from MY battery.
Surely the main people who will suffer are 'lower quartile' earners who have to drive to work or people in the country without convenient public transport?
How are they going to force people to put tracking devices in cars? And keep the data collected, secure under data protection laws? And satisfy human rights laws? etc etc etc.
Only way to do this is to have road tolls with huge installation, monitoring and manning costs - ultimately driving people into using minor and populated routes to avoid the tolls. The M6 toll road is empty day and night whenever I've used it, no matter how clogged up the M6 is... (always good for a licence losing speed with little or no risk of being caught... allegedly)
And if some f@cker thinks he's gonna put a black box in my car, I'm afraid it's gonna go wrong lots or become accidently disconnected from MY battery.
john_r said:
Stupid thing is, if they reduce or abolish fuel tax and road tax (as Eddington suggests) and charge per mile at the previously suggested rates, my motoring costs per annum will probably go down! And I drive an M5 and a Land Rover...
If it replaces fuel tax, it will have to be emissions linked.
herewego said:
john_r said:
Stupid thing is, if they reduce or abolish fuel tax and road tax (as Eddington suggests) and charge per mile at the previously suggested rates, my motoring costs per annum will probably go down! And I drive an M5 and a Land Rover...
If it replaces fuel tax, it will have to be emissions linked.
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