RE: Row erupts over new MoT test plan
RE: Row erupts over new MoT test plan
Friday 16th February 2007

Row erupts over new MoT test plan

Biennual testing means more deaths, say campaigners


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Biennual MoT tests will reduce safety and cause more deaths, said campaigners calling for the Government to ditch its proposal to halve the frequency of car testing.

At present, all vehicles over three years old must have an MoT test every year. Under the new proposals, motorists will only have to have their cars checked every other year. It would mean too that new cars wouldn't be tested until they were four rather than three years old.

What Car? editor Steve Fowler said: “The move to a two-yearly test is misleading for consumers who may think they are saving money, but MoT test prices will rise as garages close due to lack of business and competition declines.

“Although modern cars are more reliable, that shouldn’t be confused with safety. This proposal has no safety or financial benefits for any road user.”

What Car? buttressed its argument with Government statistics showing that three per cent of all fatal accidents are caused by vehicle defects. So of the 3,201 fatalities on Britain’s roads in 2005, 96 were caused by defective vehicles. Dodgy cars also caused 580 serious injuries and 4,777 slight injuries.

Currently 29 per cent of UK cars already fail the annual test, of those 14.9 per cent relate to defective lights, 11 per cent steering faults, 10 per cent brakes and eight per cent tyres. The next biggest failure rate involves emission and visibility problems.

The UK has the lowest record of deaths per 100,000, Sweden is the second lowest and Holland is third, all operating a yearly MOT inspection system. Most European countries that operate a two-year system have higher road deaths per 100,000, said What Car.

The MOT Trade Forum forecast that if the move to a two-year check is adopted and delayed by an additional year we will see up to 150 more road deaths per year and many more major and minor associated injuries. It has even set up a petition on the 10 Downing Street site against the idea (see link below).

"We cannot allow our roads to become any more dangerous. Well maintained, safe cars are an absolute priority for all road users and pedestrians alike," said Fowler.

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jon-

Original Poster:

16,534 posts

239 months

Friday 16th February 2007
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As the majority of motorists only find out their tyres are bald / rear lights are out / pads are worn / engine is on fire once at year at MOT tests I have to agree this is a crazy proposal.

I have an old track car, which to be fair, is a pain to get through the MOT every year due to emissions. Even so i'd still rather go through that once a year than be taken out by an idiot with no brakes / tyres / clue.


Edited by jon- on Friday 16th February 11:03

Colesy21

590 posts

234 months

Friday 16th February 2007
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How can the government coninue to reduce speed limits and place speed camera's everywhere, all under the banner of safety, then come up with a proposal like this.

Even with an annual MOT test, you still see plenty of cars that don't look like they're in a fit condition for the road. Goodness knows how many accidents waiting to happen will be driving around our roads if this goes through.

But then again, with the current climate towards saftey, I'm sure ministers will be much happier with a car doing 29 mph past a school, even if the brakes don't work!

blueyes

4,799 posts

275 months

Friday 16th February 2007
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This is same as we have had in Italy for decades.

In 2005 only 0.3% of accidents were caused by vehicle defects.

MitchT

17,089 posts

232 months

Friday 16th February 2007
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Please will the authors of these stories get their facts right - Bi-annual means TWO TIMES PER YEAR. The story talks of MOTs taking place once every two years, for which the correct term is Biennial. I'd expect a respected source of motoring journalism to have an adequate grasp of basic grammar.

Plotloss

67,280 posts

293 months

Friday 16th February 2007
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Cant see how it will make any difference to be honest.

The MOT is only a report of a vehicles roadworthiness on a given day.

cjm

578 posts

291 months

Friday 16th February 2007
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Is this going to be linked in with banning older cars from the roads at some point?? Doesnt really seem to be any good reason to move to every two years, so there most be some other sinister reason???




Edited by cjm on Friday 16th February 11:14

drags06

454 posts

234 months

Friday 16th February 2007
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MitchT said:
Please will the authors of these stories get their facts right - Bi-annual means TWO TIMES PER YEAR. The story talks of MOTs taking place once every two years, for which the correct term is Biennial. I'd expect a respected source of motoring journalism to have an adequate grasp of basic grammar.

why not just say once every 2 years for simpltons like me

eglf

173 posts

245 months

Friday 16th February 2007
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What Car buttressed its argument with Government statistics showing that three per cent of all fatal accidents are caused by vehicle defects. So of the 3,201 fatalities on Britain’s roads in 2005, 96 were caused by defective vehicles. Dodgy cars also caused 580 serious injuries and 4,777 slight injuries.

How many of these "Dodgy cars" would of had an MOT in the first place?.

targarama

14,717 posts

306 months

Friday 16th February 2007
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drags06 said:
MitchT said:
Please will the authors of these stories get their facts right - Bi-annual means TWO TIMES PER YEAR. The story talks of MOTs taking place once every two years, for which the correct term is Biennial. I'd expect a respected source of motoring journalism to have an adequate grasp of basic grammar.

why not just say once every 2 years for simpltons like me


I work with Americans a lot. They're always planning bi-weekly meetings. Drives me mad. They look at me like I'm an alien when I say fortnightly and don't understand why I have such an issue with bi-weekly.

havoc

32,601 posts

258 months

Friday 16th February 2007
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MitchT said:
I'd expect a respected source of motoring journalism to have an adequate grasp of basic grammar.


So would I, but this is PH!
hehe

irs

877 posts

231 months

Friday 16th February 2007
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It's still a stupid idea.

If anything, for older, cheap bangers, it should be twice a year.!

fury1630

393 posts

250 months

Friday 16th February 2007
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Am I being cynical or is this the DoT coming up with a deliberatly bad plan as a way of saying the motorist complains about increasing laws, then complains when we make it simpler. Therefore they don't know what they want.

1.5 million complain about road pricing & "we'll talk about it", nobody asks for less frequent MoTs & it gets into law - strange. I have no problem with annual MoT's but then my daily driven Kit Car hasn't failed one in the last 10 years (wahoo!).

T

RedCabbage

3,606 posts

255 months

Friday 16th February 2007
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Plotloss said:
Cant see how it will make any difference to be honest.

The MOT is only a report of a vehicles roadworthiness on a given day.


I disagree. Deterioration of the most important safety features, brakes, suspension and tyres, are so gradual that it would be difficult for even the most experienced of us to detect the difference in our daily cars. Slap a new set of brakes/suspension parts on and the majority of people say, "oh, that's better to drive, I didn't realise it had got so bad!"

The fact is most people are not qualified or experienced enough to detect slowly developing faults. People rely on an annual independant inspection to determine what work needs doing to theirs cars other than servicing.

DanH

12,287 posts

283 months

Friday 16th February 2007
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Strikes me as an excellent idea. The people who will run cars badly under such a regime are already doing so, so why inflict needless bureaucracy on the sensible majority.

crankedup

25,764 posts

266 months

Friday 16th February 2007
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Good garages will not go out of business due to a change in MOT test frequency. Why should they? if it puts the crap ones out of business thats a good thing. Also I am fed up with being bombarded with bloody stats from right left and centre everytime a policy review is opened for discussion, most of them are meaningless.

Calorus

4,081 posts

247 months

Friday 16th February 2007
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Horrenduous - why are we taking cues from the Americans (who have a worse saftey record than almost any where in Europe) when we hav the BEST Road Safety of anywhere in the Continent?

You cannot attempt to lower the standard of road transport maintenance whilst trying to maintain safety.

richards 7

124 posts

237 months

Friday 16th February 2007
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Ah yes but the MOT test makes no money for them (govt), so therefore safety in this case doesn't matter as much.

Sorry for being over cynical

happy motoring!!

R

jwo

986 posts

272 months

Friday 16th February 2007
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In the isle of man they don't even have MoTs, but if you are involved in an accident (however big or small) and your car is found to be defective you are in deep poop. Therefore people maintain their cars in good condition all the time - and they have limited speed cameras and some derestricted road!

hayesey

92 posts

264 months

Friday 16th February 2007
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I don't understand why this is being considered. Who is going to benefit from only having an MOT every 2 years? It'll effectively half the income of garages from MOT tests, mean a lot more unroadworthy cars are about for longer and for what? To save people £30-£40 a year?! The whole argument seems like a complete waste of time to me, why don't the government concentrate on something that actually might benefit someone?

jwo

986 posts

272 months

Friday 16th February 2007
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In the isle of man they don't even have MoTs, but if you are involved in an accident (however big or small) and your car is found to be defective you are in deep poop. Therefore people maintain their cars in good condition all the time - and they have limited speed cameras and some derestricted road!