RE: Road charging to cost £300 a year
RE: Road charging to cost £300 a year
Tuesday 27th February 2007

Road charging to cost £300 a year

That's the cost but how much will you pay?


£300 a year for this?
£300 a year for this?
Road charging will cost an enormous £300 annually per motorist to implement, according to the Department for Transport.

The Telegraph has reported that internal documents that outline how the road charging scheme would work suggest that the cost of setting it up is £62 billion plus £8.6 billion a year to run it. This means every motorist could end up paying nearly £300 just to cover the expense of collecting the charge, according to the department's feasibility study.

The study looked at a range of options. These included making motorists pay to use the outside lane on motorways, which would be physically separated from the rest of the carriageway. And the cost of the widget that car owners would have to install ranges from a simple £15 transmitter through to journey trackers that could cost over £500 each.

The report follows the PM's determination to press on with his road charging policy despite fierce opposition. This has so far centred around the e-petition on Downing Street's Web site that collected 1.8 million signatures.

But the row continues. There's been a call from an MP for a referendum (see link below) as reported in the Manchester Evening News and supported by the Association of British Drivers.

Meanwhile, the Telegraph reports that "it emerged" that, using congestion-charging technology, the police has monitored hundreds of ordinary motorists. This will confirm the fears of many who see the road charging scheme as a Trojan Horse for those who want to see Britain, already the most surveilled nation on the planet, move further towards a total surveillance society.

Spokespeople from NO2ID, which is opposed to ID cards, said: "This sort of tracking represents an enormous threat and eventually people will become almost anaesthetised to their every step being tracked. It is tragic that a Government is prepared to think about this sort of thing."

Others pointed out the huge scope for things to go wrong in a scheme of this size; the government has a poor record of containing costs or even getting large computerised systems working in the first place.

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irs

Original Poster:

877 posts

231 months

Tuesday 27th February 2007
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cost of setting it up is £62 billion plus £8.6 billion a year to run it. yikesyikesyikes

rustyintegrale

72 posts

238 months

Tuesday 27th February 2007
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Why do any of us stay in this toilet of a country?

There is nothing, NOTHING I can do that doesn't involve being taxed, penalised, watched or otherwise interfered with.

I'm outta here. Just gotta convince my wife...

Rich

RobPhoboS

3,454 posts

249 months

Tuesday 27th February 2007
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rustyintegrale said:
Why do any of us stay in this toilet of a country?


I left


Trying to stay away as long as possible man, reading PH everyday to get the latest info is seriously heartbreaking, I can't beleive all the crap that is going on man. Its almost worse standing back from afar seeing whats happening.

golders

141 posts

297 months

Tuesday 27th February 2007
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This is truly crazy! £62 billion to set up!

I have had enough now.

RobPhoboS

3,454 posts

249 months

Tuesday 27th February 2007
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Thats almost why I think they just wont do it but tax something else.

I think they should ditch benefits unless its deemed 100% needed.

Rex-7

65 posts

242 months

Tuesday 27th February 2007
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name said:
The Telegraph has reported that internal documents that outline how the road charging scheme would work suggest that the cost of setting it up is £62 billion plus £8.6 billion a year to run it.

Imaging if thats spent on fixing our road and public transport rolleyes

Bude David

53 posts

230 months

Tuesday 27th February 2007
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Time to join the queue at Dover...

jaker

3,944 posts

292 months

Tuesday 27th February 2007
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Yet another New Labia cash black hole.

Waste Billions of tax payers money setting up a cruddy system that's worse than what we currently have. NHS anyone?

Socialists. Dont you just love 'em? rolleyes

jerrold

73 posts

240 months

Tuesday 27th February 2007
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Rex-7 said:
name said:
The Telegraph has reported that internal documents that outline how the road charging scheme would work suggest that the cost of setting it up is £62 billion plus £8.6 billion a year to run it.

Imaging if thats spent on fixing our road and public transport rolleyes


Or even greener car technology!

I'd put some in that nice sounding lotus project...

jaker

3,944 posts

292 months

Tuesday 27th February 2007
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Bude David said:
Time to join the queue at Dover...


You're not kidding mate!!

What sort of country will this be in 10 years? Time to sell up before everyone realises and the house prices fall off a cliff...

My letter:

'Dear Australia/Canada,

please may I come in (and my family too)? My country has been ruined now.

p.s.: please may the one or two million Brits that are still hard working and right thinking come too?

p.p.s.: learn from our mistake and never elect a bunch of self-serving liars that couldn't organise their own underpant drawer.

yours faithfully

jaker'


Edited by jaker on Tuesday 27th February 13:53

Brink

1,505 posts

231 months

Tuesday 27th February 2007
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Sooner or later there'll be a challange to this nonsense in the European courts. What the govenmorons are trying to do is against our human rights, an invation of our privacy and an imposition upon all us who have to drive to work to earn a living to pay the bills.

who me ?

7,455 posts

235 months

Tuesday 27th February 2007
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Brink said:
Sooner or later there'll be a challange to this nonsense in the European courts. What the govenmorons are trying to do is against our human rights, an invation of our privacy and an imposition upon all us who have to drive to work to earn a living to pay the bills.


Unless this is being driven from Brussels - and Tony is the puppet.Someone in another post did mention Galileo .

TOOFM

26 posts

253 months

Tuesday 27th February 2007
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Much as I'd like to get away from all the shit in the UK right now I think This country would'nt be so bad if it was'nt run by the fu**wits we have in power right now but let's be honest, the other parties appear to be just as incompentent and self serving. There is a need for a new party which actually uses common sense to make decisions, understands full well what the populace doesand doesnt want its taxes spent on, and locks up any fool who so much at hints at Political correctness, which I think has done so much damage to our everyday life. Nothing right/sensible that should be done is now done and it has invaded every part of our society. Because of PC we let illegal immigrants, freeloaders and criminals into our society and take what we have paid for all our lives and have to bite our tongues. Because of PC I can't hit the C**T I found outside my back garden Patio door at 2.00 in the morning, without fear of being arrested myself, or tell the kids who use my car and front lawn as a playground to bugger off.
I would vote in an instant for a party that would repeal all the stupid things this shower have done to this country, even if it meant some restrictions to return to a world with 'common sense' laws. Rant over!

gjohnsto

972 posts

280 months

Tuesday 27th February 2007
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Given the government's brilliant track record of implementing any large scale project I would not be slightly surprised if 62BN and 8.6Bn p.a actually translated to more like 150Bn and 15Bn p.a.

Does make me wonder how the DFT website can claim any scheme would be revenue neutral compared to the current tax system. Either they have a gaping hole in their finances to pay for the implementation, or(as I suspect) the revenue neutral applies to the net ammount they recieve, and we end up paying the implementation costs on top.

havoc

32,601 posts

258 months

Tuesday 27th February 2007
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£62 BILLION! yikes cry

How the **** does something cost that much money?!? Ferchristssakes, you could rejuvenate the NHS for that much money, but clearly helping people isn't a government priority. C***s, the lot of 'em.

Where did you say the Canadian Embassy was?!? (I too have a wife that still needs persuading... )

john_r

8,354 posts

294 months

Tuesday 27th February 2007
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£62 BILLION?!?!

Let's assume it projects a 5 year implementation; which is the standard 'bullsh1t' for large complex civil service projects...

That equates to implementation costs of:

£12.4 Billion per year
or
£1.033 Billion per month
or
£238.5 Million per week
or
£34.07 Million per day
or
£1.42 Million per hour
or
£23,657 PER MINUTE of EVERY HOUR of EVERY DAY of EVERY WEEK of EVERY MONTH of EVERY YEAR of your life for 5 YEARS!!

And this is the same government who underestimated the Olympics cost by 300%...


Edited by john_r on Tuesday 27th February 14:19

oogieboogie

710 posts

232 months

Tuesday 27th February 2007
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irs said:
cost of setting it up is £62 billion plus £8.6 billion a year to run it. yikesyikesyikes

I'm going to change job... as a consultant for this project I expect to be able to retire within 10 yrs, which should still be long before it's implemented.

£8.6bn... roughly the cost of hosting an olympics every year including buildings and regeneration?

rustyintegrale

72 posts

238 months

Tuesday 27th February 2007
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havoc said:
C***s, the lot of 'em.



Absokinglutely...

havoc

32,601 posts

258 months

Tuesday 27th February 2007
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gjohnsto said:
...or(as I suspect) the revenue neutral applies to the net ammount they recieve, and we end up paying the implementation costs on top.
yes

LISTEN to what they're saying - REVENUE neutral, NOT cost-neutral.

And if the per-annum per car cost will be £300, then you can bet commuters will end up paying about twice that to maintain the average...an extra £50/month out of your pocket just to pay for the privilege of being tracked like a criminal by this government.

And that doesn't account for the £62 BILLION (sorry, had to capitalise that) set-up costs (which as said will probably top £100bn). So say a payback period of 10 years, no discounting (i.e. 13-15 years effective), and you've got £6-10bn per year to lump into this, which will be another £200-£350 per car, which again will be average, so say twice that for a commuter.


Rough guess then, ladies and gents, is an extra £100/month raped out of your pocket for no f*****g good reason!
At 40% tax that's £2k of salary you've just lost overnight when this is implemented.


Edited by havoc on Tuesday 27th February 14:36

fatboy b

9,662 posts

239 months

Tuesday 27th February 2007
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£62Billion!!yikes yikes

And that is money that will probably go to a foreign company, so they can set it up and run it. mad mad mad mad mad

Tony B-Liar and his wit ing wanking government can just shove this load of shit up their ing arses. The more this speculation goes on, the more and more people will be up for a mass protest to get these s out of power.