PAY PAY PAY says Milliband - PAY MORE
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March 06, 2007
'Make car drivers pay for their pollution'Joe Bolger
Drivers may face limits on the carbon emissions produced by their cars, which could affect the number of journeys that they can make.
As part of a wider plan to slow climate change, car users could be given individual limits on the amount of carbon they are allowed to emit. Drivers polluting above the limit would have to pay for the privilege.
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1475348.ece
'Make car drivers pay for their pollution'Joe Bolger
Drivers may face limits on the carbon emissions produced by their cars, which could affect the number of journeys that they can make.
As part of a wider plan to slow climate change, car users could be given individual limits on the amount of carbon they are allowed to emit. Drivers polluting above the limit would have to pay for the privilege.
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1475348.ece
Maybe he'd like to go and square up to the IMF, who consider British taxes to be so high that any further increase would be "perilous".
Or perhaps he'd like to go and chat with the people who can't afford to live near their place of work and can't afford to simply go out and buy another car. He might find those voters in something called a "Labour heartland."
You can't tax things out of the system, because by the time you've really hit the pocket of someone with the financial resources to run an expensive or thirsty car, you've priced over half the population off the road. The only way out from here is to provide a cheaper public transport alternative that's within striking distance of the convenience of a car, and we all know how well that's going nationally.
Or perhaps he'd like to go and chat with the people who can't afford to live near their place of work and can't afford to simply go out and buy another car. He might find those voters in something called a "Labour heartland."
You can't tax things out of the system, because by the time you've really hit the pocket of someone with the financial resources to run an expensive or thirsty car, you've priced over half the population off the road. The only way out from here is to provide a cheaper public transport alternative that's within striking distance of the convenience of a car, and we all know how well that's going nationally.
he is an utter marxist, his idea to give each person a carbon tax card sounds like the food-cards in Eastern Germany after ww II
he is the politician with the most threateaning ideas in Britain today IMHO
he uses the green agenda as a tool to leverage a class war
I would not like him at dinner, that's for sure
he is the politician with the most threateaning ideas in Britain today IMHO
he uses the green agenda as a tool to leverage a class war
I would not like him at dinner, that's for sure
ing government haven't got a clue really. 
There is an excellent article in the current Private Eye (page36, "Road Rage"
. the opening sentence reads "National road pricing could work well in a country with a transport policy - so not Britain then."
It goes on to expain the reasons why over the past 50 years (and still) the Government has encouraged us to use the car over alternatives, including:
- Proposals for rail, bus, even cycling schemes have to consider in their impact analysis the loss of income (e.g. fuel duty) making them look less appealing.
- The rail companies are not incentivised to carry more passengers efficiently. If demand increases, they increase the fares rather than, gee here's an idea, lay on more trains (not just a concept, PE has provided many examples of this happening).
- A good local policy would bring travellers in on arterial routes (e.g. to mainline stations) then direct them on to their final destinations with light systems such as trams. But all tram schemes have been cancelled, except those in Scotland (would now be a good time to point out that the last two Transport Ministers have been Scottish?).
Well worth a five minute read in WH Smiths, I mean library.
. the opening sentence reads "National road pricing could work well in a country with a transport policy - so not Britain then." It goes on to expain the reasons why over the past 50 years (and still) the Government has encouraged us to use the car over alternatives, including:
- Proposals for rail, bus, even cycling schemes have to consider in their impact analysis the loss of income (e.g. fuel duty) making them look less appealing.
- The rail companies are not incentivised to carry more passengers efficiently. If demand increases, they increase the fares rather than, gee here's an idea, lay on more trains (not just a concept, PE has provided many examples of this happening).
- A good local policy would bring travellers in on arterial routes (e.g. to mainline stations) then direct them on to their final destinations with light systems such as trams. But all tram schemes have been cancelled, except those in Scotland (would now be a good time to point out that the last two Transport Ministers have been Scottish?).
Well worth a five minute read in WH Smiths, I mean library.
aston67 said:
March 06, 2007
'Make car drivers pay for their pollution'Joe Bolger
Drivers may face limits on the carbon emissions produced by their cars, which could affect the number of journeys that they can make.
'Make car drivers pay for their pollution'Joe Bolger
Drivers may face limits on the carbon emissions produced by their cars, which could affect the number of journeys that they can make.
Hang on, hang on, new cars produce next to no emissions and will continue to produce less with each passing year. The true 'carbon footprint' of a modern car equates to the square root of feck all so just how, exactly, is he going to penalise the motorist? If he pronounces this tax based on dodgy science and the witterings of a bunch of sociopath hippies then he can expect a carbon footprint on his shiny arse.
This will simply be illegal
Global Warming, wether it is really happening or not there is still no proved correlation between Carbon emmissions and the temperature of the globe. The climate has changed no end over thousands of years. I think C4 are screening a prog in the next few days about what a huge con it is.
SCIENTIFIC DOCUMENTARY: The Great Global Warming Swindle
On: Channel 4 (104)
Date: Thursday 8th March 2007 (starting in 1 day)
Time: 21:00 to 22:35 (1 hour and 35 minutes long)
Polemical film challenging the consensus that man-made CO2 is heating up the earth. Featuring leading academics, the film questions the science behind the accepted reasons for global warming and argues other explanations for climate change are not being properly aired.
(Watch Online, Subtitles)
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Excerpt taken from DigiGuide - the world's best TV guide available from www.getdigiguide.com/?p=1&r=27209
Copyright (c) GipsyMedia Limited.
On: Channel 4 (104)
Date: Thursday 8th March 2007 (starting in 1 day)
Time: 21:00 to 22:35 (1 hour and 35 minutes long)
Polemical film challenging the consensus that man-made CO2 is heating up the earth. Featuring leading academics, the film questions the science behind the accepted reasons for global warming and argues other explanations for climate change are not being properly aired.
(Watch Online, Subtitles)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Excerpt taken from DigiGuide - the world's best TV guide available from www.getdigiguide.com/?p=1&r=27209
Copyright (c) GipsyMedia Limited.
the scary thing is that Labour is pushing Milliband to become a potential canditate for PM even against Brown
Labour post Blair era will see a comeback of those communist ideas that have been kept quiet so far. Look at Trident and all the anti-americanism that is evident...
Red Britain...
Labour post Blair era will see a comeback of those communist ideas that have been kept quiet so far. Look at Trident and all the anti-americanism that is evident...
Red Britain...
I agree that old Labour will surface once Blair has gone. Lets be realistic for a second. Tony managed to put a nice gloss on the Labour Party, a rebrand and all of a sudden they were electable. In those two years I cant see it was possible to change a party so radically. Underneath the 'new labour' gloss is old Labour desperate to show it's true colours again.
In terms of Milliband being a Psyco, you also have a good point, lets look at some Labourites shall we:-
Blunkett : Even he accepts that he is mentally unstable
Prescott: Angry, womanising, violent thug who admits labour is at it's best when fighting a class war
Brown: A passionate socialist who sees no merit in opulence, fast cars or wealth for the individual
Blair: Just a few feet away from toppling over the edge and the fastest man to grow ever.
Mandleson: Has done nothing but help create laws that favour gay people inc making it legal for grown men to have sex with boys as young as 16 (16!, thats still a child in my book)
The list goes on, and these are the people that currently run britain!!! Theres little wonder it's in a mess.
In terms of Milliband being a Psyco, you also have a good point, lets look at some Labourites shall we:-
Blunkett : Even he accepts that he is mentally unstable
Prescott: Angry, womanising, violent thug who admits labour is at it's best when fighting a class war
Brown: A passionate socialist who sees no merit in opulence, fast cars or wealth for the individual
Blair: Just a few feet away from toppling over the edge and the fastest man to grow ever.
Mandleson: Has done nothing but help create laws that favour gay people inc making it legal for grown men to have sex with boys as young as 16 (16!, thats still a child in my book)
The list goes on, and these are the people that currently run britain!!! Theres little wonder it's in a mess.
aston67 said:
he is an utter marxist........., he uses the green agenda as a tool to leverage a class war
Exactly what I thought.
Maybe this is Labours way of using 'green issues' to force a redistribution of wealth, which is what they really want anyway......
No point in trying to better yourself these days. Seems strangely like the early seventies.......
Anyway, who will pay all the taxes when the working people who are paying them have all left?
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