RE: Idling fines
Tuesday 26th June 2007

Idling fines

Manchester pilots new scheme with traffic wardens


Turn off your engine if these guys are around
Turn off your engine if these guys are around
It is now possible to be fined for leaving your engine idling in Manchester.

In a new scheme being piloted by Manchester City Council over the next six months, 12 Traffic Wardens have the power to fine drivers £80 if they are caught.

However, a predictable row is brewing as to how long the wardens will wait before issuing a fine, and what proof they might need to back it all up.The council will review the environmental benefits at the end of the scheme, although there’s no word on how this will be done.

Neil Swannick, the council’s executive member for environment, stressed the green aims of the scheme. "Parking attendants already play a vital role in the city centre on a number of non-parking related issues such as combating vehicle crime and preventing the fraudulent use of blue badges," he said. "Parking will still be their number one priority."

"But as the eyes and ears of the city it would seem sensible to explore the value of providing them with additional powers to use, whenever necessary, as they go about their main duties. Our aim to become the greenest city in the UK will certainly be strengthened by using all the resources that we have to make the city centre a cleaner and greener place to live, shop, work and do business in."

 James Pritchard, communications manager from NCP Services, which provides traffic en­for­cement and transport management, said: "We believe our attendants already make a contribution towards the orderliness of Manchester’s streets. Hopefully this pilot can only increase the benefits they bring."

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Andymaserati

Original Poster:

505 posts

257 months

Tuesday 26th June 2007
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What happens if you're warming your engine up before setting off on a journey?
Is this is you're sat in the car or not?

What a stupid rule

deanb

175 posts

307 months

Tuesday 26th June 2007
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Probably aimed mostly at bus/coach drivers sitting with their engines running outside a hotel at 5am.....

There's already a number of places in Westminster with signs instructing drivers to switch engines off, so I guess they must have some form of way of enforcing this.

chris_crossley

1,164 posts

306 months

Tuesday 26th June 2007
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Does this include waiting at a junction/Lights?

No, seriously does it.. Cos you can bet that some little adolf will take it to mean that.

What about defrosting your windows. Surly they don't want you to drive off without being able to see where your going.

£80 eh! can't see why they came up with the idea. Just thinks of all the trees thay will kill issuing tickets.

LDoR

32 posts

269 months

Tuesday 26th June 2007
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Well there is a very simple way around this, just rev your engine constantly, you're not idling then smile

wab172uk

2,005 posts

250 months

Tuesday 26th June 2007
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Your phone rings. You pull over to take the call (not using mobile when driving) and `ZAP` some Tw@t on a power trip take a picture and fines you £80. All for a 20 second conversation.

Can see wardens being attacked for their camera's. You can get less of a fine for TWOC`ing a car these days.

jsr

1,155 posts

273 months

Tuesday 26th June 2007
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Just make sure you are 'revving' the engine - that could not then be classed as 'idling' smile

thirsty

726 posts

287 months

Tuesday 26th June 2007
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This global warming BS is really getting soooo old.

sprinter885

11,550 posts

250 months

Tuesday 26th June 2007
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wab172uk said:
Your phone rings. You pull over to take the call (not using mobile when driving) and `ZAP` some Tw@t on a power trip take a picture and fines you £80. All for a 20 second conversation.

Can see wardens being attacked for their camera's. You can get less of a fine for TWOC`ing a car these days.
Isn't it easier & cheaper to spend c.£35 on plug-in hands-free bluetooth jobbie?
Can never understand why I still see people with hand-helds at that price when they drive around in £30 grand+ motors ? Weird.

Graham

16,378 posts

307 months

Tuesday 26th June 2007
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wab172uk said:
Your phone rings. You pull over to take the call (not using mobile when driving) and `ZAP` some Tw@t on a power trip take a picture and fines you £80. All for a 20 second conversation.
I think you'll find that if you have the engine running whilst using the phone, even if parked and stationary its classed as using the phone whilst driving so as well as the £80 fine for idling you'd also get a £60 fine and 3 points for using the phone....





imperialism2024

1,596 posts

279 months

Tuesday 26th June 2007
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sprinter885 said:
wab172uk said:
Your phone rings. You pull over to take the call (not using mobile when driving) and `ZAP` some Tw@t on a power trip take a picture and fines you £80. All for a 20 second conversation.

Can see wardens being attacked for their camera's. You can get less of a fine for TWOC`ing a car these days.
Isn't it easier & cheaper to spend c.£35 on plug-in hands-free bluetooth jobbie?
Can never understand why I still see people with hand-helds at that price when they drive around in £30 grand+ motors ? Weird.
Hands-free devices don't suddenly boost concentration. All they do is make it easier to hold the phone... they still allow the driver to be distracted by the conversation.

MitchT

17,089 posts

232 months

Tuesday 26th June 2007
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This is not about the environment, it's about inventing things to fine people for.

Where I live they recently introduced a 'one way' restriction to a 10m piece of road which I used to use to access where I live. I now need to drive for five minutes longer because of this one way street, thus causing more air polution in the process. Not only that but the food I've collected from my local Pizza Hut now has five minute longer to go cold furious

Environment my arse.

timbobalob

364 posts

265 months

Tuesday 26th June 2007
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I'm sure that I've read somewhere that you'll use more fuel turning your engine off and restarting within 5 minutes than you would if you had just left it running...

Tim

hugh_

3,706 posts

264 months

Tuesday 26th June 2007
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sprinter885 said:
wab172uk said:
Your phone rings. You pull over to take the call (not using mobile when driving) and `ZAP` some Tw@t on a power trip take a picture and fines you £80. All for a 20 second conversation.

Can see wardens being attacked for their camera's. You can get less of a fine for TWOC`ing a car these days.
Isn't it easier & cheaper to spend c.£35 on plug-in hands-free bluetooth jobbie?
Can never understand why I still see people with hand-helds at that price when they drive around in £30 grand+ motors ? Weird.
Less than that, I just got a new Motorola H350 for £10.20 including postage from eBay, delighted with it. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CHEAP-MOTOROLA-H350-BLUETOOT...

WRT the idling thing though, I can understand they don't want parked cars idling for an unnecessary length of time, but surely they wouldn't do you for idling while waiting for traffic lights etc.?

And for those of you moaning about de-frosting the car, a bucket of water at about 10degrees does the job perfectly! Not so good if you don't have good drainage nearby though!

Vipers

33,418 posts

251 months

Tuesday 26th June 2007
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Andymaserati said:
What happens if you're warming your engine up before setting off on a journey?
Is this is you're sat in the car or not?

What a stupid rule
I think if your engine is running and you are not in the car, you are committing an offence anyway, but yes good point. And I suppose if you sit there revving it, then its not idling?

smile

jagdpanther

19,633 posts

242 months

Tuesday 26th June 2007
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I would absolutely love to be sat in a parking bay, with a warden trying to talk to me about my impending fine while Im revving the knatchets off of a V8 TVR Wedge with a straight through system


That alone is worth the fine rofl

_Deano

7,413 posts

276 months

Tuesday 26th June 2007
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anyone notice the brest enlargement add for Harley Street?
Thought this was a car website...

Apache

39,731 posts

307 months

Tuesday 26th June 2007
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imperialism2024 said:
Hands-free devices don't suddenly boost concentration. All they do is make it easier to hold the phone... they still allow the driver to be distracted by the conversation.
Yup, but using one is legal not using one isn't, go figure.

annodomini2

6,962 posts

274 months

Tuesday 26th June 2007
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MitchT said:
This is not about the environment, it's about inventing things to fine people for.

Where I live they recently introduced a 'one way' restriction to a 10m piece of road which I used to use to access where I live. I now need to drive for five minutes longer because of this one way street, thus causing more air polution in the process. Not only that but the food I've collected from my local Pizza Hut now has five minute longer to go cold furious

Environment my arse.
yes

Article said:
James Pritchard, communications manager from NCP Services, which provides traffic en­for­cement and transport management, said: "We believe our attendants already make a contribution towards the orderliness of Manchester’s streets. Hopefully this pilot can only increase the benefits they bring."
And increase the lining of his wallet with more unjustified and immoral fines.

chris_crossley said:
Does this include waiting at a junction/Lights?

No, seriously does it.. Cos you can bet that some little adolf will take it to mean that.

What about defrosting your windows. Surly they don't want you to drive off without being able to see where your going.

£80 eh! can't see why they came up with the idea. Just thinks of all the trees thay will kill issuing tickets.
I can just see it being mis-interpreted like that, so ANPR cameras at every juction, with thermal emissions measured on infrared to check if the engine is running and bang £80 fine.

However, then I can see them doing those closest to the lights for switching their engines off and calling it parked on double yellows (if present), parked within 10yards of a junction etc So double whammy, fined if you do, fined if you don't.

irs

877 posts

231 months

Tuesday 26th June 2007
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_Deano said:
anyone notice the brest enlargement add for Harley Street?
Thought this was a car website...
confused

irs

877 posts

231 months

Tuesday 26th June 2007
quotequote all
_Deano said:
anyone notice the brest enlargement add for Harley Street?
Thought this was a car website...
confused