RE: Thoughts From Frankfurt: The Brits Abroad
RE: Thoughts From Frankfurt: The Brits Abroad
Friday 14th September 2007

Thoughts From Frankfurt: The Brits Abroad

Aston Martin and Jaguar



Two famous British car manufacturers had plenty to say in Frankfurt, but for Aston Martin and Jaguar their own circumstances behind the scenes couldn’t have been more different. From both being part of the Ford empire – and still sharing the same patch of Warwickshire earth – to Aston’s new private ownership and Jaguar’s current… well, we’ll come onto that in a minute.

For Aston Martin, Frankfurt was the culmination of a remarkable year. With a class win at Le Mans, a clean transition into new hands and a future that looks bright, it faced the crowds with plenty of new product.


We’d all been looking forward to seeing the DBS and thankfully it didn’t disappoint. Until now, opinion in the PH office had been split over its styling, some liking the pumped-up DB9 ‘look’ while others disliking the thought of a graceful ‘9’ ever having to wear body styling. As for Bond, well, if it rolls over that easily…

Never mind, up close and personal the DBS is really rather seductive indeed, with great detailing throughout the car. In our collective opinion it’s achingly desirable and the thought of a more sporting chassis, more power (510bhp) and a manual ‘box is rapidly propelling it towards the top of our grand sporting GT stakes. So, go on then – le question de jour: Ferrari 599 or Aston DBS? We’ll leave it with you…


The Gaydon firm also brought along two new race-inspired cars – the Vantage N400 and the DB9LM. The former is a homage to Aston’s participation in the 24 hours of the ‘Ring, but also an opportunity for it to introduce a factory honed go-faster V8. We’ve had the Prodrive version, but Aston has been chipping away at the V8 since its inception, and the N400 is the culmination of what it knows so far. Power is raised to 400bhp and the car gets a sports pack that brings revised springs, dampers and rear anti-roll bar along with new wheels. We’re not too sure of the Karrusell orange paint (black and silver are the other choices) or the embroidered map of the ‘Ring on the transmission tunnel, but overall, this could be Aston’s best drivers car yet.

The LM naturally commemorates the Le Mans victory and is more straightforward. It’s an auto coupe with the sports pack as standard and a few cosmetic tweaks. We also hear that charismatic old wobbler, the DB9 Volante, has had some serious work done to tighten things up.


Over at Jag there may have been the full range on the stand, but we certainly didn’t notice it. Frankfurt was all about one thing only – the new XF. Everyone had an opinion on the styling on the XF – even the bloke who sold us our lunch managed a few words of broken English.

Much of the mechanicals are carried over from current Jaguars, but that’s no bad thing – they’re all first class oily bits. We’ve every reason to think it drives well too; by and large modern Jags really do. We even liked the interior, especially some of the wood finishes and ‘surprise and delight’ features.


But will it save the company? No point in asking us, as it matters not what the media thinks, but whether the collective mind of the public can be swayed to think something different about the brand, let alone who ends up owning the company. There’s a long way to go but it’s possible. But then we can’t stand the thought of this most emotive of British brands disappearing down the plug hole...

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j-j

Original Poster:

45 posts

240 months

Friday 14th September 2007
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The more I look at the XF, the more I see a Volvo...

Is it just me???

Daggerpie

1,434 posts

224 months

Friday 14th September 2007
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Funny you say that, a mate of mine works for Jag and she showed me the press literature few weeks ago, I said exactly the same thing, front of Volvo, rear quarter like new mondeo and DB9 style rear lights. They should have stuck with the front end from concept XF...loads sexier!

pd86

59 posts

256 months

Friday 14th September 2007
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whatever it looks like its far from the concept (at the front anyway). even if they left the concept headlights on i think that would have made a huge (positive) impact on the overall look

oli_quick

380 posts

252 months

Friday 14th September 2007
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erm....599

Whiters

364 posts

262 months

Friday 14th September 2007
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I like it but I can't see much "Jag" in there. It feels more Ford Group generic thinking.

I know they (Jaguar) had become a little twee whilst others modernised, and that they needed to address that, but this doesn't seem to have much genetic lineage at all. Without the grill and bonnet lines, it could be mistaken for the latest barge from the far east, IMO.

The interior is fantastic though. From the pics I've seen, it's just what a modern jag should be!

wab172uk

2,005 posts

250 months

Friday 14th September 2007
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That XF has changed quite a bit from the Concept car. Just like they said they wouldn't.

Front end look awful. Rest of it looks too heavy. Not exactly the car that will make BMW buyers switch brands.

Road_Terrorist

5,591 posts

265 months

Friday 14th September 2007
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That V8 looks rank in Orange, why don't they ever show it in a decent colour?

wl606

268 posts

223 months

Friday 14th September 2007
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That Jaguar is one hideous looking car.

B10

1,363 posts

290 months

Friday 14th September 2007
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I think that the orange looks fantastic, much better than boring silver or tarmac coloured. Its about time manufacturers paint cars in a colour. Even Alfa do not do a decent red for the 159. BTW when I scrolled down the page on this article I thought that the picture of the XF was a Volvo until I looked more closel and read the text!

don logan

3,881 posts

245 months

Friday 14th September 2007
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Sorry to say this but having looked at Italy and Germany`s offerings at the show, ours look CR@P
(yes even the JAGAstons)


I WISH

874 posts

223 months

Friday 14th September 2007
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The front of the new Jag looks truly truly truly awful .... Ian Callum should be ashamed. To me it looks like a cross between a Lexus and a startled Seat. If this stays on the production version then Jaguar are doomed.

DBSnappa

87 posts

254 months

Friday 14th September 2007
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The XF is over designed I think - it looks a little too homogenous, which is a danger in anything that spends too much time on the drawing board. For me personally, it would be tweaked immeasurable by a few simple adjustments - pull the grill fractionally forward and more upright, and maybe the lights as well. Drop the window line down a bit to give it some hips.

That would be a sexy automobile.


Don't get me wrong, I think it will look great in the flesh and Jag shouldn't be criticised too much as they're chasing middle ground, and no-one in their right mind would say the bog standard 5 or E is a sexy car. Mediocrity in design sells by the bucketload to the mainstream.

BMGM3

10,480 posts

266 months

Friday 14th September 2007
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The first picture of the new Jag says,Toyota, to me anyway.

Zad

12,946 posts

259 months

Friday 14th September 2007
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What Jaguar said they'd offer


What they actually delivered


Now Jaguar, are you going to tell us why you are going to go bust, or do we have to spell it out for you? All you have going for you is being Jaguar. Jaguar-ness, Jaguar styling and Jaguar heritage. Without that, people will buy something else.

A collision between a Volvo, a Lexus, a Rover 75 and a 1990s Korean pile of pants - you actually expect people to want to buy that? Here is a hint for the future: Get rid of the head stylist who thinks your current front indicators an lamps look great, they look like something from a Chris Bangle understudy who had some sort of brain seizure.



SpeedyGonzales

7,211 posts

227 months

Friday 14th September 2007
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Zad said:
What Jaguar said they'd offer


What they actually delivered
What a shame, the concept and the real thing look different so much.

flattotheboards

6,688 posts

229 months

Friday 14th September 2007
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the dbs looks great im not so sure about the xf though the concept looked much better.

Police State

4,332 posts

243 months

Friday 14th September 2007
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oli_quick said:
erm....599
is that the number that you think Jaguar will sell of this hideous creation?

Bodo

12,478 posts

289 months

Friday 14th September 2007
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Zad said:

What's the relevance posting pictures of two Toyotas in a Jaguar thread confused

Stu R

21,427 posts

238 months

Saturday 15th September 2007
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The DBS is sublime, but I'll take the 599 thanks smile

As for the Jag, the less said the better really. There's no derogatory comments severe enough to describe quite how fugly that is.

Zigs

1,866 posts

229 months

Saturday 15th September 2007
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that Jag is nasty as hell, I would sooner buy the new WRX. What the hell is wrong with these people?