RE: Ford Does It Safely
RE: Ford Does It Safely
Wednesday 19th September 2007

Ford Does It Safely

New sat nav gives directions to your car’s safety features too


At the next left... Watch Out!
At the next left... Watch Out!
Ford Europe has announced some interesting results from its work to improve safety as part of the four-year PReVENT scheme (PReVENTive and Active Safety Applications) which is 50 percent funded by the EU.

As part of a project, their latest tech presented today includes a path prediction system which helps vehicles best deploy safety features on frequently driven routes.

The system uses the history of routes in your sat nav and adapts the active safety features on your car to best suit the way you drive familiar roads. For example, if the system recognises your route, it would optimise the angle that adaptive headlights use to look round corners more accurately.

Data from navigation systems is also used to benefit lane departure warning technology. If lane markings are missing, the cameras in lane departure systems don’t function properly, but in combination with sat nav data, the system can continue to function.

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havoc

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32,597 posts

258 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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Article said:
The system uses the history of routes in your sat nav...
Hmmm...scratchchin..wonder if that data is uploadable...
- to insurance co's
- to police
- to anyone who hacks the system


Big brother doesn't NEED to watch you...he can work out where you're going to be next...

bri_the_fly

180 posts

234 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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Is this just a stepping stone to the computerised auto-pilot?

annodomini2

6,962 posts

274 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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Article said:
Data from navigation systems is also used to benefit lane departure warning technology. If lane markings are missing, the cameras in lane departure systems don’t function properly, but in combination with sat nav data, the system can continue to function.
So when they put road works in and move the lanes around, this thing is gonna be permanently beeping at you.

Also if it has preventitive measures (i.e. steers the car) where are the boundaries of who is in control?

FartPants

57 posts

232 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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Sounds like a lot of really clever gizmos and programs, all rendered utterly useless if people paid attention whilst driving and were propoerly trained to do so...

Hasn't there been research that suggests the more 'safety' devices fitted to a car, the more invincible we feel, and therefore the more dangerously we drive?

Whilst I would not advocate removing the features already developed, can we not invest a little more time and money into adequate driver training? The constant technology developments all seem a little reactive!

collateral

7,238 posts

241 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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FartPants said:
Sounds like a lot of really clever gizmos and programs, all rendered utterly useless if people paid attention whilst driving and were propoerly trained to do so...
Unfortunately they will be too busy looking at the SatNav which is at the same time trying to save them when they bin it. Mental.

Mr Whippy

32,171 posts

264 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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  • OR**
Just learn to drive well in the first place?

Dave

chris333

1,034 posts

262 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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FartPants said:
Sounds like a lot of really clever gizmos and programs, all rendered utterly useless if people paid attention whilst driving and were propoerly trained to do so...

Hasn't there been research that suggests the more 'safety' devices fitted to a car, the more invincible we feel, and therefore the more dangerously we drive?

Whilst I would not advocate removing the features already developed, can we not invest a little more time and money into adequate driver training? The constant technology developments all seem a little reactive!
Well there is a school of thought that says the best safety feature would be no seatbelts and a big spike on the steering wheel. Ultimately we have to accept that not everyone is as conscientous and skilled as we all are on PH, and that safety measures like this may well be useful.

Ed.

2,176 posts

261 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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I think there was a test with german taxi drivers that found those with abs drove faster and braked later.

madrob6

3,594 posts

243 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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What happens if somebody else drives your car and has a different driving style to you?

perhaps it has a safe mode that just stops you doing anything remotely interesting.

sprinter885

11,550 posts

250 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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havoc said:
Article said:
The system uses the history of routes in your sat nav...
Hmmm...scratchchin..wonder if that data is uploadable...
- to insurance co's
- to police
- to anyone who hacks the system



Big brother doesn't NEED to watch you...he can work out where you're going to be next...
B***dy hell-sounds just like the wife ! Unfortunately she's rubbish at applying it to herself....

sprinter885

11,550 posts

250 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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Ed. said:
I think there was a test with german taxi drivers that found those with abs drove faster and braked later.
Why should having strong stomach muscles affect that ??? wink

cowellsj

681 posts

222 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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not sure about all this tech, great if it works.

I was given a sat-nav to use last week by the girlfriend, i didn't need it, as I know the route.

The thing that ammazed me most was the number of speed limits it got wrong, it was convinced that large parts of the M40 and M23 were in fact 30 limits.

Negative Creep

25,795 posts

250 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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Mr Whippy said:
**OR**

Just learn to drive well in the first place?

Dave
QTT

chris.mapey

4,778 posts

290 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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chris333 said:
FartPants said:
Sounds like a lot of really clever gizmos and programs, all rendered utterly useless if people paid attention whilst driving and were propoerly trained to do so...

Hasn't there been research that suggests the more 'safety' devices fitted to a car, the more invincible we feel, and therefore the more dangerously we drive?

Whilst I would not advocate removing the features already developed, can we not invest a little more time and money into adequate driver training? The constant technology developments all seem a little reactive!
Well there is a school of thought that says the best safety feature would be no seatbelts and a big spike on the steering wheel. Ultimately we have to accept that not everyone is as conscientous and skilled as we all are on PH, and that safety measures like this may well be useful.
I was going to post that wink

I personally that ABS & airbags etc are all "Anti-Darwin" and their long term use will eventually dilute the gene pool wink so I support the "no seat belts & big spike approach". Just watch the accident rates drop...

Chris

monkey11477

128 posts

225 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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chris.mapey said:
I personally that ABS & airbags etc are all "Anti-Darwin" and their long term use will eventually dilute the gene pool wink so I support the "no seat belts & big spike approach". Just watch the accident rates drop...

Chris
I agree, all these safety features and Health & Safety boocks are saving the lives of too many complete idiots. Natural selection no longer applies it used to be survival of the fittest, now it's survival of who can screw the benefits system best. Drunk idiots who stagger into the road are now even safe from being wiped out due to the pedestrian safety tests new cars now have to pass. In a few hundred years time everyone will be stupid, obese and live off benefits

Who me ?

7,455 posts

235 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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monkey11477 said:
In a few hundred years time everyone will be stupid, obese and live off benefits
From articles in national press that pre supposes that we will then learn a foreign language or two laugh

Lotusespritforum

790 posts

230 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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FartPants said:
Hasn't there been research that suggests the more 'safety' devices fitted to a car, the more invincible we feel, and therefore the more dangerously we drive?
I understand that some insurance companies back in the day loaded insurance premiums for those with ABS as driver were more dangerous due to the perceived impression of extra safety.

Spikes are all well and good but don't work when some numpty pulls out in front of you...

traffman

2,263 posts

232 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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Theres no point in spending more money on better driving standards , instead motor manufacturers will make a larger profit from filling cars with all this technology .
We are not far from having the same standards as most bmw drivers , i e erratic lane changing , under use of indicators and trying to drive into the back of you unless your cars fitted with predictive technology.

GravelBen

16,331 posts

253 months

Thursday 20th September 2007
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chris333 said:
Well there is a school of thought that says the best safety feature would be no seatbelts and a big spike on the steering wheel.
scratchchin Do you think that would help more car makers move back towards oversteer instead of understeer as a default 'safe' setup? hehe

chris.mapey

4,778 posts

290 months

Thursday 20th September 2007
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Lotusespritforum said:
Spikes are all well and good but don't work when some numpty pulls out in front of you...
mmm - there's an argument around here for driving defensively & anticpating other drivers actions wink

hehe - no offence meant wink

Chris