RE: Hi-Tech License On The Way
Friday 19th October 2007
Super-secure license is on its wayMoves by the DVLA to introduce a smart card for provisional driving licences could see huge cut in the number of people fraudulently taking the driving test for others.
Hi-Tech License On The Way
DVLA bids to stamp out license fraud
Super-secure license is on its way
DVLA has launched a public consultation on proposals for a trial of a smart card provisional driving licences with the trial scheduled to begin next year and to last 12 months.
The trial will investigate the concept of using an electronic chip embedded into a provisional driving licence to improve its security and to combat drivers taking the test for cash.
The trial will be restricted to Wales and only Welsh Bi-lingual Provisional Driving Licences will be chipped. Just under 30,000, licences will be involved.
Discussion
un-insured drivers though !!!!!!
varsas said:
good.
I'd need to see more details of what they're planning to store on this chip (that isn't on the current licence) before I could come to that conclusion. Cynical, jaded, world-weary me automatically assumes that this will involve biometrics in some fashion (otherwise how do you tell that the person taking the test is the licence holder) and so will simply be more one more stepping stone to a full-scale ID card rollout.Neomagic said:
jaik said:
I'd never even thought of people getting someone else to sit their test. Why would you do that rather than just learn to drive yourself?
Because some people simply cannot drive to save there life, and don't stand a hope in hell of passing there test.claypigeon60 said:
varsas said:
good.
I'd need to see more details of what they're planning to store on this chip (that isn't on the current licence) before I could come to that conclusion. Cynical, jaded, world-weary me automatically assumes that this will involve biometrics in some fashion (otherwise how do you tell that the person taking the test is the licence holder) and so will simply be more one more stepping stone to a full-scale ID card rollout.
Life would be so much easier if they could just implement a passport with a chip which shows whether you've passed your driving test and holds your bank details etc... I'm sure the technology can be made to work properly and totally securely if only the govt wouldn't always go with the contractor that tended the cheapest quote... and subsequently charged the most.
Mars said:
Life would be so much easier if they could just implement a passport with a chip which shows whether you've passed your driving test and holds your bank details etc... I'm sure the technology can be made to work properly and totally securely if only the govt wouldn't always go with the contractor that tended the cheapest quote... and subsequently charged the most.
Why can't we just have one card which is a passport, bank card, drivers licence, credit card, mobile phone, mp3 player, camera, card etc... (then when you use it and type in your pin you are asked which account you would like it out of). And perhaps have it as a micro chip under your skin that emits a frequency which within range of a suitable detector works in the right way. Then you never need carry anything, phone, keys, wallet, and a keyboard under your skin so you can write notes on your self and save in a small hard drive on you which is then blue toothed to any computer you want... you get my gist. Edited by Insight on Friday 19th October 15:28
Insight said:
Mars said:
Life would be so much easier if they could just implement a passport with a chip which shows whether you've passed your driving test and holds your bank details etc... I'm sure the technology can be made to work properly and totally securely if only the govt wouldn't always go with the contractor that tended the cheapest quote... and subsequently charged the most.
Why can't we just have one card which is a passport, bank card, drivers licence, credit card, mobile phone, mp3 player, camera, card etc... (then when you use it and type in your pin you are asked which account you would like it out of). And perhaps have it as a micro chip under your skin that emits a frequency which within range of a suitable detector works in the right way. Then you never need carry anything, phone, keys, wallet, and a keyboard under your skin so you can write notes on your self and save in a small hard drive on you which is then blue toothed to any computer you want... you get my gist. Edited by Insight on Friday 19th October 15:28
Because either
A, You are two stubborn to see what’s really happening
B, You really want to live in a nanny state and be a sheep.
Wake up!
Edited by Neomagic on Friday 19th October 15:44
Actually no I do not mind people knowing what I am doing. You can always turn these things off if you wanted to or not have it. I suppose your telling me you do not own a mobile phone because however convenient they are, you don't want the police to know your exact location 24/7.
The reason I want all this technology is so that I do not have to think or be bothered with the little things in life, like where are my keys, where is my money, blah blah blah and I can concentrate on more important things weather that be people, my new car or the girl I am trying to chat up at that specific moment in time.
Remember the days when people had to wash their clothes in the river by hand and women/wives were used as slaves to run the house and bring up children. Well that was in the past. Technology is mostly an opt in thing, you can still live as if it was the year 1800 if you want to.
The reason I want all this technology is so that I do not have to think or be bothered with the little things in life, like where are my keys, where is my money, blah blah blah and I can concentrate on more important things weather that be people, my new car or the girl I am trying to chat up at that specific moment in time.
Remember the days when people had to wash their clothes in the river by hand and women/wives were used as slaves to run the house and bring up children. Well that was in the past. Technology is mostly an opt in thing, you can still live as if it was the year 1800 if you want to.
Edited by Insight on Friday 19th October 16:27
Insight said:
Actually no I do not mind people knowing what I am doing. You can always turn these things off if you wanted to or not have it. I suppose your telling me you do not own a mobile phone because however convenient they are, you don't want the police to know your exact location 24/7.
The reason I want all this technology is so that I do not have to think or be bothered with the little things in life, like where are my keys, where is my money, blah blah blah and I can concentrate on more important things weather that be people, my new car or the girl I am trying to chat up at that specific moment in time.
Remember the days when people had to wash their clothes in the river by hand and women/wives were used as slaves to run the house and bring up children. Well that was in the past. Technology is mostly an opt in thing, you can still live as if it was the year 1800 if you want to.
Nope I own a mobile phone and I’m fully aware of how the police or any other government body can exploit it if they should choose to.The reason I want all this technology is so that I do not have to think or be bothered with the little things in life, like where are my keys, where is my money, blah blah blah and I can concentrate on more important things weather that be people, my new car or the girl I am trying to chat up at that specific moment in time.
Remember the days when people had to wash their clothes in the river by hand and women/wives were used as slaves to run the house and bring up children. Well that was in the past. Technology is mostly an opt in thing, you can still live as if it was the year 1800 if you want to.
Edited by Insight on Friday 19th October 16:27
But there are limits to these things, the day everything about you is held on one small device be that a card or a chip is the day humanity and the world as we know it is turned into a prison.
If you're happy to let that happen all because it's convenient for your day to day functions then that’s up to you, but I certainly will never let that sort of infringement on my personal and sensitive data / life happen.
Well if everyone had access to knowing everything about everyone else and how they got what they were (what type of work they did) then the world would share its knowledge and develop faster. People may spend their entire lives hiding things, worrying if anyone else will ever find out, things that to other people mean nothing. Look at Oprah Winfrey, she tells everyone everything about her life (good and bad) and she is seen as a reliable open hearted star who listens to peoples problems. People don't feel ill of her for her success, (her £2billion success) because they know how she did it and support it. People seem angry when they don't understand something, like why should a Russian get lots of money from a corrupt goverment, people get angry at that.
I once heard that technology has developed faster over the last 10 years than the previous 50, why? Because people share their knowledge faster through improved communications (emails, cheap calls, texts) and info is seen as less precious because there is an abudance of it about, so if it does not suit you, you can ignore it. Years ago there was little info about apart from the Bible, so people had nothing to compare it too and make up their own minds about what they wanted to believe.
Ok, now bring on the abuse I will no doubt recieve for saying all this!
I once heard that technology has developed faster over the last 10 years than the previous 50, why? Because people share their knowledge faster through improved communications (emails, cheap calls, texts) and info is seen as less precious because there is an abudance of it about, so if it does not suit you, you can ignore it. Years ago there was little info about apart from the Bible, so people had nothing to compare it too and make up their own minds about what they wanted to believe.
Ok, now bring on the abuse I will no doubt recieve for saying all this!
Have you ever considered that technology may have moved faster than ever in the last ten years because it's required to in order to gain much more control?
I am a technical person myself, I love gadgets and im an IT Technician. It's not the fact I don't want technology to move forward it's the fact that there are limits as to what technology should and shouldn’t be doing.
At the end of the day any data held on a IT system is liable to be tampered with, and you would never be none the wiser until one day you're in a prison cell for a crime you didn’t commit (Terrorism Maybe) there is a fine line between things that improve your quality of life and things that actually restrict you unwillingly and unknowingly.
Again I will say if you’re happy to trust a bunch of selfish money driven inbreds (The Government) that have deceived us time and time again to have that level of control over you for what appears on the surface to be good but really is a load of cock and bull, then so be it.
Capiche
I am a technical person myself, I love gadgets and im an IT Technician. It's not the fact I don't want technology to move forward it's the fact that there are limits as to what technology should and shouldn’t be doing.
At the end of the day any data held on a IT system is liable to be tampered with, and you would never be none the wiser until one day you're in a prison cell for a crime you didn’t commit (Terrorism Maybe) there is a fine line between things that improve your quality of life and things that actually restrict you unwillingly and unknowingly.
Again I will say if you’re happy to trust a bunch of selfish money driven inbreds (The Government) that have deceived us time and time again to have that level of control over you for what appears on the surface to be good but really is a load of cock and bull, then so be it.
Capiche
Vipers said:
If its so good, why does it need a trial?
Because there are too many people like me out there that object to technology like this for the reasons above.Edited by Neomagic on Friday 19th October 17:36
Insight said:
Mars said:
Life would be so much easier if they could just implement a passport with a chip which shows whether you've passed your driving test and holds your bank details etc... I'm sure the technology can be made to work properly and totally securely if only the govt wouldn't always go with the contractor that tended the cheapest quote... and subsequently charged the most.
Why can't we just have one card which is a passport, bank card, drivers licence, credit card, mobile phone, mp3 player, camera, card etc... (then when you use it and type in your pin you are asked which account you would like it out of). And perhaps have it as a micro chip under your skin that emits a frequency which within range of a suitable detector works in the right way. Then you never need carry anything, phone, keys, wallet, and a keyboard under your skin so you can write notes on your self and save in a small hard drive on you which is then blue toothed to any computer you want... you get my gist. Edited by Insight on Friday 19th October 15:28
Insight - BOY ARE YOU NAIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another of these, 'what do I have to worry about, I never do anything wrong?'
ie NAIVE!
Regards the DVLA trial. When I first heard about the 'HUGE' numbers of fraudulent driving tests with an alias taking the place of the real learner driver, I thought, odd,
with all the identity stuff, even now, the instructor would have to be real dimmo not to notice it wasn't who it was supposed to be at the wheel, surely?
Ok, let's say it is possible and I don't doubt it is, but HUGE numbers doing it?
B*ll*cks!
There's gotta be another reason, and it's probably been outlined above - another back door route to more surveillance on the populace.
What p*sses me off is they can't catch real crims, so it's always Joe Public who bears the brunt, whether it is cars or filling your dustbin too full (laughable isn't it - it's 2007). Like the poor old 84 year old who decided to put his spud peeling and other crap in a carrier cos he has one of the cr*p fortnightly collections and decided to drop his carrier into a town litter bin (yes, a LITTER bin) and there's old eagle eye council gestapo who spots him. When the pensioner has gone the SS council official retrieves the supermarket carrier and proceeds to go through the contents (FFS!) and finds incriminating evidence of the old guy's address.
£75 fine on it's way.
Apparently the old guy wasn't gonna pay what was 3/4 of his pension, until he found it if he didn't he would end up in court with possibility of £2500 fine!
Yet daily you can see the yobs who get their McDonald's obesity meal then realising half of it isn't edible so they fling it out their Saxo and Corsa and Nova windows (sorry if you drive one of these, but in PC UK you get tarred with the same brush) leaving that and usually streams of sick with it. Do they get caught? Like hell. Do you see 'em doing it? Constantly. But the pensioner is an easier target.
Lost our way?
ABSOLUTELY!
Another of these, 'what do I have to worry about, I never do anything wrong?'
ie NAIVE!
Regards the DVLA trial. When I first heard about the 'HUGE' numbers of fraudulent driving tests with an alias taking the place of the real learner driver, I thought, odd,
with all the identity stuff, even now, the instructor would have to be real dimmo not to notice it wasn't who it was supposed to be at the wheel, surely?
Ok, let's say it is possible and I don't doubt it is, but HUGE numbers doing it?
B*ll*cks!
There's gotta be another reason, and it's probably been outlined above - another back door route to more surveillance on the populace.
What p*sses me off is they can't catch real crims, so it's always Joe Public who bears the brunt, whether it is cars or filling your dustbin too full (laughable isn't it - it's 2007). Like the poor old 84 year old who decided to put his spud peeling and other crap in a carrier cos he has one of the cr*p fortnightly collections and decided to drop his carrier into a town litter bin (yes, a LITTER bin) and there's old eagle eye council gestapo who spots him. When the pensioner has gone the SS council official retrieves the supermarket carrier and proceeds to go through the contents (FFS!) and finds incriminating evidence of the old guy's address.
£75 fine on it's way.
Apparently the old guy wasn't gonna pay what was 3/4 of his pension, until he found it if he didn't he would end up in court with possibility of £2500 fine!
Yet daily you can see the yobs who get their McDonald's obesity meal then realising half of it isn't edible so they fling it out their Saxo and Corsa and Nova windows (sorry if you drive one of these, but in PC UK you get tarred with the same brush) leaving that and usually streams of sick with it. Do they get caught? Like hell. Do you see 'em doing it? Constantly. But the pensioner is an easier target.
Lost our way?
ABSOLUTELY!
Edited by dandarez on Friday 19th October 20:47
Insight said:
Why can't we just have one card which is a passport, bank card, drivers licence, credit card, mobile phone, mp3 player, camera, card etc...
Because it would be dumb.Would you use the same key for your house front door, back door, car(s), shed, a safety deposit box, and workplace?
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