RE: NCAP Crash Tests
Tuesday 1st July 2003

NCAP Crash Tests

Do the new tests for pedestrian safety spell disaster for car styling?


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hoganscrogan

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725 posts

305 months

Tuesday 1st July 2003
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From what I've read on NCAP (I was worried about this development too) it probably wouldn't affect the styling too much, injuries are coming from what's under the bonnet - ie hard bit of engine, ancillaries not the shape (4x4 excepted), note the MGF (rear engined) does well.

Gren

2,026 posts

273 months

Tuesday 1st July 2003
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I've heard that there will have to be a 'buffer' between the hard bits under the bonnet and the bonnet itself. Easiest way to do this is to raise the height of the bonnet..... the start of a slippery slope.

Unless someone can come up with an auto lifting bonnet.

kdd

1,189 posts

272 months

Tuesday 1st July 2003
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What happenned to the green cross code adverts that you couldn't avoid on the telly when I was a kid?
There are enough ads telling us that pensions and giros are gonna be paid direct into your account, but nothing telling people that walking out into the road in front of a moving car is dangerous.

ed for spellin' again....

>> Edited by kdd on Tuesday 1st July 11:41

hoganscrogan

Original Poster:

725 posts

305 months

Tuesday 1st July 2003
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Agree about the green cross code - not sure on the exact stats but 80-90% of pedestrian/car incidents happen away from proper crossings, and a lrage number of those involve drunk pedestrians!!

lotuslad

5,253 posts

275 months

Tuesday 1st July 2003
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Gren's post was quite accurate – the Commission has been working with the likes of Ford (and all its brands) and Instron Schenck on systems that detect an imminent pedestrian collision and deploy a bonnet lift device. There are an incredible number of problems to be overcome with the sensors though, so in the meantime there is pressure to remove or cover sharp objects (imagine the Spirit of Ecstasy ripping through your guts) and to have more space between the bonnet and the hard objects underneath such as engines or spare tyres in order to cushion impact.
It doesn't mean the end for styling as bonnet lift devices are very small and have been fitted in regular models such as Focus' with no trouble. Also, IMO the MG TF looks better than the MGF.

kdd

1,189 posts

272 months

Tuesday 1st July 2003
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lotuslad said:
Gren's post was quite accurate – the Commission has been working with the likes of Ford (and all its brands) and Instron Schenck on systems that detect an imminent pedestrian collision and deploy a bonnet lift device. There are an incredible number of problems to be overcome with the sensors though, so in the meantime there is pressure to remove or cover sharp objects (imagine the Spirit of Ecstasy ripping through your guts) and to have more space between the bonnet and the hard objects underneath such as engines or spare tyres in order to cushion impact.
It doesn't mean the end for styling as bonnet lift devices are very small and have been fitted in regular models such as Focus' with no trouble. Also, IMO the MG TF looks better than the MGF.


So, Mercedes will have to remove the sights, oops, sorry, 3 pointed star from the front of the car?

lotuslad

5,253 posts

275 months

Tuesday 1st July 2003
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The star folds flat though should some poor pedestrian not appreciate that the driver is "considerably richer than yawse" and find himself bouncing along the bonnet.
As ever, the mum's favourite, the 'As long as my kids are safe I don't care if I wipe out half of Surrey in this two and a half ton leviathan 4X4' is a worry though. At least the Toerag has made some headway though.

TJMurphy

239 posts

284 months

Tuesday 1st July 2003
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lotuslad said:
At least the Toerag has made some headway though.


Was it not the Touran in the original note - isn't that the Golf MPV - rather than the Toerag which I imagine isn't too kindly on pedestrians ...

ultimasimon

9,646 posts

279 months

Tuesday 1st July 2003
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I think we should leave the cars alone and crash test the people instead...

Avocet

800 posts

276 months

Tuesday 1st July 2003
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I've been told that for a typical steel car, you need about 3" between the inside of the bonnet and anything hard underneath it. - which is a bit scary from the styling point of view. That said, as the Directive has been drafted, manufacturers are allowed to have worse results over a certain percentage of the surface area (which they are allowed to nominate) provided the rest of it meets the requirements. This allows them to not worry quite so much about things like strut tops and plenum chambers.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

275 months

Wednesday 2nd July 2003
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there are other ways round this, have al ook at what mazda are doing with the RX-8

www.alcoa.com/car_truck/en/mazda_success.asp

clanger

1,087 posts

279 months

Wednesday 2nd July 2003
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Pedestrians should kit up in full body armour before venturing out onto the highways - why should car manufacturers forever suffer if the individual can't be bothered to take care of him/herself.

boiler

217 posts

276 months

Wednesday 2nd July 2003
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kdd said:
What happenned to the green cross code adverts that you couldn't avoid on the telly when I was a kid?


They have turned into the Stop, Look, Listen hedgehog adverts. Maybe you don't watch enough kids TV now

DanH

12,287 posts

281 months

Thursday 3rd July 2003
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If the manufactures put more engines behind the driver I'm sure they can make it pedestrian safe!

Toffer

1,528 posts

282 months

Monday 7th July 2003
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Darwinian theory (natural selection)ensures that people normally only get run over once...ultimately the DNA of those who walk in front of moving vehicles should become extinct...problem solved?

Hang-on, what would Nissan do with all those unsold Micras?