RE: More Dumped Cars on the Way
Thursday 7th August 2003
More Dumped Cars on the Way
New legislation will deter people from scrapping cars
Discussion
Isn't this just another aspect of what the road tax is for? Leaving it to the final owner to pay for the disposal isn't just short sighted it is massively unfair.
As someone who is hard pushed to buy any car that isnt near the end of it's life (until recently at least) I know just how costly it can be to keep a car running - the choice between ditching a car, fixing it or properly scrapping it makes for an easy choice. Second hand values are so stupidly low for a shed that it far, far cheaper to ditch a car and go out and buy a new(er) one that will last another few months at least...
Sure, I understand there is a defecit between the money provided by manufacturers to recycle their new cars correctly (once they are deceased) and that needed to recycle all cars. Traditionally this defecit is handled by the scrap yard who attempt to recoup some of the costs through re-use, the new laws don't allow us to do this anymore so the scrapper becomes just another black hole to pour our earnings into when it comes to our cars.
Should we try selling our wrecks onto non-European contries (like the Japanese)? I can't imagine anyone wanting them of course...
As someone who is hard pushed to buy any car that isnt near the end of it's life (until recently at least) I know just how costly it can be to keep a car running - the choice between ditching a car, fixing it or properly scrapping it makes for an easy choice. Second hand values are so stupidly low for a shed that it far, far cheaper to ditch a car and go out and buy a new(er) one that will last another few months at least...
Sure, I understand there is a defecit between the money provided by manufacturers to recycle their new cars correctly (once they are deceased) and that needed to recycle all cars. Traditionally this defecit is handled by the scrap yard who attempt to recoup some of the costs through re-use, the new laws don't allow us to do this anymore so the scrapper becomes just another black hole to pour our earnings into when it comes to our cars.
Should we try selling our wrecks onto non-European contries (like the Japanese)? I can't imagine anyone wanting them of course...
jimbro1000 said:
Isn't this just another aspect of what the road tax is for
Nah! Road tax is for free, like every other fcuking tax we have to pay in this country, you can't expect anything in return. No NHS dentists, hospital beds, state pension, transport infrastructure etc etc, even the bin men have started being picky about what rubbish they will and won't take 'round our way. F'ing brilliant!
Another ludicrous idea - and presumably even if the vehicle has no fluids left ou will have to pay - I have two cars which will be scrapped soon and neither are likely to have any oil or brake fluid in as these are in components I will probably keep.
When is the charge due to be introduced?
When is the charge due to be introduced?
scrappy's have been draining petrol oil and water out of cars for years down here in Dorset (probably so they can use it in thier tractors 
), more people will start to lease cars i reckon taking the responsability of disposing of the car out of their hands , but then again that will only mean the cost of leasing a car will go up 
time to buy a horse and cart
), more people will start to lease cars i reckon taking the responsability of disposing of the car out of their hands , but then again that will only mean the cost of leasing a car will go up time to buy a horse and cart
DennisTheMenace said:
scrappy's have been draining petrol oil and water out of cars for years down here in Dorset (probably so they can use it in thier tractors
time to buy a horse and cart
Best speak to Lois! LOL
It's easy to dispose of a car for nothing so why pay someone £100.
Here's how : Send me a tenner and I'll tell you how both the legal way and not so legal way.
PS I'm keeping the Not so legal way to myself, but it don't take much in the way of brains to work it out !
PPS The Legal Way : Put every item on Ebay for 1p with no reserve and what's left take to your local tip. (They have an oil dump) I have left 2 badly damaged engines at my local tip recently.
Then get an angle grinder (or gas torch) and cut the body shell into manageable chunks. Take those to the tip (Its on my way to work so if it takes 10 trips it's still free) Then get the V5 and tick 'scrapped' and send to DVLA.
Take some photos along the way to prove it all later.
Alternatively leave it in a pub car park in Toxteth (Tox as in Toxic and Teth as in Death) with the keys in !
Here's how : Send me a tenner and I'll tell you how both the legal way and not so legal way.
PS I'm keeping the Not so legal way to myself, but it don't take much in the way of brains to work it out !
PPS The Legal Way : Put every item on Ebay for 1p with no reserve and what's left take to your local tip. (They have an oil dump) I have left 2 badly damaged engines at my local tip recently.
Then get an angle grinder (or gas torch) and cut the body shell into manageable chunks. Take those to the tip (Its on my way to work so if it takes 10 trips it's still free) Then get the V5 and tick 'scrapped' and send to DVLA.
Take some photos along the way to prove it all later.
Alternatively leave it in a pub car park in Toxteth (Tox as in Toxic and Teth as in Death) with the keys in !
One of the first principles of the End-of-life-vehicle Directive was that the final owner should NOT have to pay anything to have it disposed of. One of the second principles was that "re-use" of components and sub-assemblies was to be promoted as much as possible because this was by far the most environmentally friendly way of recycling stuff (everything else uses more energy!) The extra cost of proper disposal was to be met by the manufacturers but then they started haggling over who paid for what. As an example, who would pay for all the scrap Lancias now that Lancia didn't sell in the UK? The next idea was to have all the manufacturers put money into a kitty in proportion to their market share. This was very popular with manufacturers whose market share used to be high and had now fallen but obviously not so popular with manufacturers who (say 15 years ago) sold very few cars (like Skoda) but now have a much bigger market share. To complicate things, concessions were made for specialist manufacturers like TVR / Reliant / Lotus etc and it was hoped that the cost of dismantling the tiny proportion of these would just be met out of the central kitty (until someone realised just what a bugger of a job it was to re-cycle fibreglass!)
I think the DVLA's introduction of the "SORN" system which forced people to tell DVLA where they were keeping any cars registered to them but not taxed was probably an attempt to tighten up their tabs on cars that were likely to be dumped. The intention was for the breaker to issue a "certificate of Destruction" without which, the DVLA would not record the vehicle as having been scrapped and would still hold the last registered keeper responsible for it. This is very scary for me because I have a 12 year old 190,000 mile "shed" which is going to acquire some serious "negative value" as it's aircon system is full of R12 which is a nasty chemical with a voracious appetite for Ozone and it was banned in the early 1990s. I wonder how the scrapyards are going to dispose of that?
I will watch the developments with a keen interest...
I think the DVLA's introduction of the "SORN" system which forced people to tell DVLA where they were keeping any cars registered to them but not taxed was probably an attempt to tighten up their tabs on cars that were likely to be dumped. The intention was for the breaker to issue a "certificate of Destruction" without which, the DVLA would not record the vehicle as having been scrapped and would still hold the last registered keeper responsible for it. This is very scary for me because I have a 12 year old 190,000 mile "shed" which is going to acquire some serious "negative value" as it's aircon system is full of R12 which is a nasty chemical with a voracious appetite for Ozone and it was banned in the early 1990s. I wonder how the scrapyards are going to dispose of that?
I will watch the developments with a keen interest...
Tescos car park seems to favourite. As we were putting the shopping in the car yesterday we realized that the couple next to us were actally dumping their car (a rusty knackered Fiat Uno) This was 2.00pm on a Sunday, the guy was cheerfully syphoning off the remaining petrol whilst his dreadful tart of a Missus cleared out the maps and tapes from the inside. Bizarre!
Nail em up I say, mail some sense into em!
Nail em up I say, mail some sense into em!
To give them credit my local council are really clamping down on flytipping and things have improved greatly in the last couple of months.
On the downside all that is left is car wrecks. Saw some very odd bits of "parking" over the weekend - the scroats seem to be trying to hide the cars now by driving them through hedges before abandoning them!
On the downside all that is left is car wrecks. Saw some very odd bits of "parking" over the weekend - the scroats seem to be trying to hide the cars now by driving them through hedges before abandoning them!
I actually work for a Salvage company and we have several contracts with local authorities for collecting dumped cars. They get depolluted (ie drained of fluids) and then rushed. We also handle the paper work.
We are currently running a scheme in the Kettering/ Corby area where we will do all this for a punter who brings there car to the branch for a fiver. The thinking is, it is harder and harder to remove all the id from a car, so it will be more difficult for the numpties to dump.
I am not saying this to advertise but to say that the 100 quid is a load of old rubbish.
We are currently running a scheme in the Kettering/ Corby area where we will do all this for a punter who brings there car to the branch for a fiver. The thinking is, it is harder and harder to remove all the id from a car, so it will be more difficult for the numpties to dump.
I am not saying this to advertise but to say that the 100 quid is a load of old rubbish.
Avocet said:
This is very scary for me because I have a 12 year old 190,000 mile "shed" which is going to acquire some serious "negative value" as it's aircon system is full of R12 which is a nasty chemical with a voracious appetite for Ozone and it was banned in the early 1990s. I wonder how the scrapyards are going to dispose of that?
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They won't have to dispose of your R12 as it will have leaked almost harmlessly into the atmosphere by the time they get to it !
Especially if you sold it to an unknown bloke in a pub who subsequenly set fire to it on the A6 near Kendal. (Not my problem, I sold it to Mr V Dodgey of 6 Dodgy Road Dodgy Ville and sent off the V5 to the DVLA like a good boy.)
Liszt said:
I actually work for a Salvage company and we have several contracts with local authorities for collecting dumped cars. They get depolluted (ie drained of fluids) and then rushed. We also handle the paper work.
We are currently running a scheme in the Kettering/ Corby area where we will do all this for a punter who brings there car to the branch for a fiver. The thinking is, it is harder and harder to remove all the id from a car, so it will be more difficult for the numpties to dump.
I am not saying this to advertise but to say that the 100 quid is a load of old rubbish.
£100 is yet another motoring rip-off. I provide security services and PC support for WEST DRAYTON CAR SPARES. (Middlesex area)
They will take your old car off of you for £25, providing you have the V5 and the keys. And they are a proper recycling unit, so you know that you are doing your bit for the environment. Incedently, Roy (the boss) has had to stump up all the money in getting the yard as the beaurocrats wanted it (ie covering the whole site in concrete to stop pollutants from entering the water table) and providing the extra facilities to drain and re-cylce.
The government did not provide him with any grant, just told him it had to be implace or they would close him down. Ironically he now has the council's collection contract for abandoned vehicles as well as the council have to use an environmentally approved car re-cycler.
sidekick said:OT, but ... Farnham, Surrey has just issued new recycling bins. They now recycle paper, aluminium cans and glass through the weekly collection. HOWEVER (and it is a big however) they will no longer take any rubbish additional to that in the wheelie-bin. Now, I have checked out rubbish output for the past few months, and over 50% by volume is packaging. This usually fills two black bin-bags. We already recycle cardboard, glass, aluminium cans (crushed), etc. Now I will have to take more land-fill material to the tip myself. Duh!!!
Isn't this just another aspect of what the road tax is for
Nah! Road tax is for free, like every othering tax we have to pay in this country, you can't expect anything in return. No NHS dentists, hospital beds, state pension, transport infrastructure etc etc, even the bin men have started being picky about what rubbish they will and won't take 'round our way. F'ing brilliant!
Streaky
ultimasimon said:
£100 is yet another motoring rip-off. I provide security services and PC support for WEST DRAYTON CAR SPARES. (Middlesex area)
They will take your old car off of you for £25, providing you have the V5 and the keys. And they are a proper recycling unit, so you know that you are doing your bit for the environment. Incedently, Roy (the boss) has had to stump up all the money in getting the yard as the beaurocrats wanted it (ie covering the whole site in concrete to stop pollutants from entering the water table) and providing the extra facilities to drain and re-cylce.
The government did not provide him with any grant, just told him it had to be implace or they would close him down. Ironically he now has the council's collection contract for abandoned vehicles as well as the council have to use an environmentally approved car re-cycler.
I should think he gets a lot of trade from the council then as West Drayton has more than it's fair share of abandoned vehicles (like along the slip road off stockley park roundabout
). There's a recentish Astra down by Crowne Plaza Hotel at the mo - guess that will be along soon enough...>What's the problem, keep them a few years longer and the'll become valuable "Classics". Make yourself a fortune, buy a scrap car today.
Not as daft a statement as u might think. Once a certain marque and model (NO i am not telling you because I am trying to buy up as many as I can find!!!!!!!!!) was up until a few months ago listed in Parkers under A1 at 350 quid - it's now 3 THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED! No, you won't find the answer by reading insider dealing John Coates in Autocar. Even some of its stablemates are rising dramatically. Clues? sorry, none.
>> Edited by dandarez on Wednesday 20th August 22:15
Not as daft a statement as u might think. Once a certain marque and model (NO i am not telling you because I am trying to buy up as many as I can find!!!!!!!!!) was up until a few months ago listed in Parkers under A1 at 350 quid - it's now 3 THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED! No, you won't find the answer by reading insider dealing John Coates in Autocar. Even some of its stablemates are rising dramatically. Clues? sorry, none.
>> Edited by dandarez on Wednesday 20th August 22:15
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