RE: NY C-Charge Scrapped
Tuesday 8th April 2008
The end of the NY C-Charge?Plans for a London-style Congestion Charge in New York have been blocked by the state legislators, it has been reported.
NY C-Charge Scrapped
State assembly blocks London-style Congestion Charge in New York
The end of the NY C-Charge?
The state assembly is understood to have had until midnight to ratify the scheme that would have seen New Yorkers paying around £4 to enter the busiest parts of Manhattan.
However the assembly avoided the proposal and didn’t even put it to a vote.
This means the city will lose estimated an 350million dollars (£175million) in federal funding and the proposed Congestion Charge apparently in tatters.
New York mayor Michael Bloomberg had backed the plan but now looks like he accepts defeat.
‘Today is a sad day for New Yorkers and a sad day for New York City,’ the mayor said in a statement last night.
‘Not only won't we see the realization of a plan that would have cut traffic, spurred our economy, reduced pollution and improved public health, we will also lose out on nearly 500 million dollars annually for mass transit improvements and 354 million dollars in immediate federal funds.
‘It takes true leadership and courage to embrace new concepts and ideas and to be willing to try something. Unfortunately, both are lacking in the assembly today.’
Congestion Charging had been proposed by Bloomberg last year and he wanted to model it on the scheme in London.
However the plan had met resistance from lawmakers a number of times, who wanted to look at other ways to reduce congestion,
Drivers had also complained, labelling it a tax on motorists.
Discussion
Seems the Americans are willing to stand up for themselves a bit more over there.
Clearly they realise there has to be a better way to reduce congestion - taxing the crap out of car users only adds money to the kitty, it does NOTHING else.
Cars already cost a fortune to run - I think if people did have another alternative, they would probably use it more.
I use the Arun district line to go into London - other than that, I never use the train.
Sometimes when returning from Brighton on a Sunday, the train is cancelled and it takes 4 hours to get back home, when it's 30minutes in the car ... !
One of my friends who works abroad a lot, calculated that to get the train from Heathrow to Bristol would cost him £100 per person! It's cheaper for him to drive his modified Subaru there and back and leave it at the airport.
Clearly they realise there has to be a better way to reduce congestion - taxing the crap out of car users only adds money to the kitty, it does NOTHING else.
Cars already cost a fortune to run - I think if people did have another alternative, they would probably use it more.
I use the Arun district line to go into London - other than that, I never use the train.
Sometimes when returning from Brighton on a Sunday, the train is cancelled and it takes 4 hours to get back home, when it's 30minutes in the car ... !
One of my friends who works abroad a lot, calculated that to get the train from Heathrow to Bristol would cost him £100 per person! It's cheaper for him to drive his modified Subaru there and back and leave it at the airport.
Wonder what would happen if everyone just stopped paying road tax and charges, what could they really do. Take all of us to court? I dont think so..
Thing is people in Britain are to worried about it to make a stand, they'd rather just moan. This country is going to pot very quickly. Thats why people are leaving and taking there money with them and putting it into other countrys.
What we need is for a civil revolution, we should just say NO YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT MR BROWN we won't except it. We put these people in power but seem to scared to take them out.
We should make a stand, I'd be there.
Sorry if you dont agree with me.
Thing is people in Britain are to worried about it to make a stand, they'd rather just moan. This country is going to pot very quickly. Thats why people are leaving and taking there money with them and putting it into other countrys.
What we need is for a civil revolution, we should just say NO YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT MR BROWN we won't except it. We put these people in power but seem to scared to take them out.
We should make a stand, I'd be there.
Sorry if you dont agree with me.
stuartbuckell said:
One of my friends who works abroad a lot, calculated that to get the train from Heathrow to Bristol would cost him £100 per person! It's cheaper for him to drive his modified Subaru there and back and leave it at the airport.
Interesting point this. They travel abroad, and go from Heathrow to Bristol. I know the experience at Heathrow is about as good as a non lubed colonoscopy, but why would this friend not just catch a plane from Heathrow?stuartbuckell said:
One of my friends who works abroad a lot, calculated that to get the train from Heathrow to Bristol would cost him £100 per person! It's cheaper for him to drive his modified Subaru there and back and leave it at the airport.
Its the same for me, sadly though over here the answer to this would be to increase the price of driving to and parking at heathrow rather than tackle the real problem of unreliable and overpriced trains.People will always use their cars when they can, its easy and also (to some people like ph'ers) its fun. A bit like breathing (still waiting for the tax on fresh air (better start loosing weight now as fat people are going to get stung)).
I think they should privatise the NHS and put the funds they are spending on the NHS into re-nationalising public transport. While rail/bus companies are in control they are just out to make money and dont care about serivce. If we had a good rail/bus network that was almost free, most people would use it to get to work and then just hoon around at night and weekends.
Then you give everyone a sleight tax break so people can afford the health care or make it means tested. But maybe I'm wrong. Just think its to easy to tax people when they know people have to use cars.
I think they should privatise the NHS and put the funds they are spending on the NHS into re-nationalising public transport. While rail/bus companies are in control they are just out to make money and dont care about serivce. If we had a good rail/bus network that was almost free, most people would use it to get to work and then just hoon around at night and weekends.
Then you give everyone a sleight tax break so people can afford the health care or make it means tested. But maybe I'm wrong. Just think its to easy to tax people when they know people have to use cars.
drewcole81 said:
Wonder what would happen if everyone just stopped paying road tax and charges, what could they really do. Take all of us to court? I dont think so..
Thing is people in Britain are to worried about it to make a stand, they'd rather just moan. This country is going to pot very quickly. Thats why people are leaving and taking there money with them and putting it into other countrys.
What we need is for a civil revolution, we should just say NO YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT MR BROWN we won't except it. We put these people in power but seem to scared to take them out.
We should make a stand, I'd be there.
Sorry if you dont agree with me.
just say the date and time and i will be there also ! ! ! lets get our country back the way it was, anyone else ?Thing is people in Britain are to worried about it to make a stand, they'd rather just moan. This country is going to pot very quickly. Thats why people are leaving and taking there money with them and putting it into other countrys.
What we need is for a civil revolution, we should just say NO YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT MR BROWN we won't except it. We put these people in power but seem to scared to take them out.
We should make a stand, I'd be there.
Sorry if you dont agree with me.
Edited by djhayman on Tuesday 8th April 11:38
[quote=drewcole81]Wonder what would happen if everyone just stopped paying road tax and charges, what could they really do. Take all of us to court? I dont think so...quote]
No they won't take al of us to court - they'd simply take a few cases to court and push for the largest penalty they could to set an example to the rest of us.
I supposd these few would become martyrs, but how many of us would be willing to risk our jobs (if we get a ban, custodial sentence) for this?
No they won't take al of us to court - they'd simply take a few cases to court and push for the largest penalty they could to set an example to the rest of us.
I supposd these few would become martyrs, but how many of us would be willing to risk our jobs (if we get a ban, custodial sentence) for this?
Dear Mr Bloomberg,
My name is Ken Livingstone.
I would like to formally apply for the vacant position as head of the Traffic department in New York, I have lots of experience in this field
and would be an asset in your quest to rid the City of Taxies er" I mean cars !
Up until recently I was mayor of London and I introduced this system in London itself, but unfortunatly it was so unpopular with the locals I was voted out !
I feel I could make it work in you're "Wonderful Town" Look forward to hearing from you soon.
Regards Mr Ken Livingstone.
Dear Mr Livingstone,
We the The State assembly Have looked at You're scheme and think you should shove it where the Sun don't shine !
Felicitations From The State assembly..
My name is Ken Livingstone.
I would like to formally apply for the vacant position as head of the Traffic department in New York, I have lots of experience in this field
and would be an asset in your quest to rid the City of Taxies er" I mean cars !
Up until recently I was mayor of London and I introduced this system in London itself, but unfortunatly it was so unpopular with the locals I was voted out !
I feel I could make it work in you're "Wonderful Town" Look forward to hearing from you soon.
Regards Mr Ken Livingstone.
Dear Mr Livingstone,
We the The State assembly Have looked at You're scheme and think you should shove it where the Sun don't shine !
Felicitations From The State assembly..
timewatch said:
Dear Mr Bloomberg,
My name is Ken Livingstone.
I would like to formally apply for the vacant position as head of the Traffic department in New York, I have lots of experience in this field
and would be an asset in your quest to rid the City of Taxies er" I mean cars !
Up until recently I was mayor of London and I introduced this system in London itself, but unfortunatly it was so unpopular with the locals I was voted out !
I feel I could make it work in you're "Wonderful Town" Look forward to hearing from you soon.
Regards Mr Ken Livingstone.
ps I have 5 kids from 3 different women and they would all need green cards
Dear Mr Livingstone,
We the The State assembly Have looked at You're scheme and think you should shove it where the Sun don't shine !
Felicitations From The State assembly..
ps Have you thought about sterilisation?
Added text in bold My name is Ken Livingstone.
I would like to formally apply for the vacant position as head of the Traffic department in New York, I have lots of experience in this field
and would be an asset in your quest to rid the City of Taxies er" I mean cars !
Up until recently I was mayor of London and I introduced this system in London itself, but unfortunatly it was so unpopular with the locals I was voted out !
I feel I could make it work in you're "Wonderful Town" Look forward to hearing from you soon.
Regards Mr Ken Livingstone.
ps I have 5 kids from 3 different women and they would all need green cards
Dear Mr Livingstone,
We the The State assembly Have looked at You're scheme and think you should shove it where the Sun don't shine !
Felicitations From The State assembly..
ps Have you thought about sterilisation?
SS HSV said:
Article said:
Drivers had also complained, labelling it a tax on motorists.
Someone listens to their motorists and legal threats ensue unlike here where its pushed through regardless and no one does anything about it 
Most people seem to agree the issues in this country are spiralling out of control, but no one seems to want to do anything about it?
‘Not only won't we see the realization of a plan that would have cut traffic, spurred our economy, reduced pollution and improved public health, we will also lose out on nearly 500 million dollars annually for mass transit improvements and 354 million dollars in immediate federal funds.'
Funny how Ken promised these things prior to the introduction of the congestion charge. Funnier still how none of them materialised.
Funny how Ken promised these things prior to the introduction of the congestion charge. Funnier still how none of them materialised.
mmm-five said:
drewcole81 said:
Wonder what would happen if everyone just stopped paying road tax and charges, what could they really do. Take all of us to court? I dont think so...quote]
No they won't take al of us to court - they'd simply take a few cases to court and push for the largest penalty they could to set an example to the rest of us.
I supposd these few would become martyrs, but how many of us would be willing to risk our jobs (if we get a ban, custodial sentence) for this?
Too true.... they have us bent over backwards, cause no one can afford to be out of work as they are rapping us for everything they can anyway and there is no help if you don't earn the money to pay.No they won't take al of us to court - they'd simply take a few cases to court and push for the largest penalty they could to set an example to the rest of us.
I supposd these few would become martyrs, but how many of us would be willing to risk our jobs (if we get a ban, custodial sentence) for this?
Unless your one of the benifit reaping scum bags who help to ruin this country.
shame that this country is going this way, although with Brown out how much different will it really be!?
Well done NY State Assembly for casting out the demons. I believe that only through true democracy will we ever get to a stage where anarchy isn't just round the corner. Robert Mugabe and Ken Livingston take note. Political actions existing as "statements" have no place in a democracy. Reasoned argument and "agreed" courses of action should take precedent.
We should reduce the number of politicians by a factor of 10, their posts being taken on by experts in their field who can advise the electorate on their thoughts, before putting the "big" issues to a vote. perhaps we all go home at night and switch on our TV's and decide which of the days issues we are going to vote on. Green button "yes" red button "no".
Sorry, my first rant on PH.
AA
We should reduce the number of politicians by a factor of 10, their posts being taken on by experts in their field who can advise the electorate on their thoughts, before putting the "big" issues to a vote. perhaps we all go home at night and switch on our TV's and decide which of the days issues we are going to vote on. Green button "yes" red button "no".
Sorry, my first rant on PH.
AA
big_rob_sydney said:
stuartbuckell said:
One of my friends who works abroad a lot, calculated that to get the train from Heathrow to Bristol would cost him £100 per person! It's cheaper for him to drive his modified Subaru there and back and leave it at the airport.
Interesting point this. They travel abroad, and go from Heathrow to Bristol. I know the experience at Heathrow is about as good as a non lubed colonoscopy, but why would this friend not just catch a plane from Heathrow?
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