400+% rise in value in 8 months! - Parkers

[dandarez]

In December 2002 Parkers listed this hatchback in A1 cond. at £595.
8 months later it is now listed at... £3,060.
Were they wildly out in December or is this the fastest appreciating 'classic' in recent times?
See last page of new issue of EVO if u can't stand the agony.

[FourWheelDrift]

I don't buy Evo so have absolutely no idea what car you going on about, as I sure the majority reading this will to.

So put me out of my misery and tell me or I won't get a wink of sleep tonight worrying about it.

[WHITECHIMP500]

Not got EVO yet but i'll guess....... 205 gti ?
Every review of the new 206 180bhp Gti seems to lament its passing (and quite rightly too).

[traction]

Was £595, now £3060 ?

Was it Rally prepped during that time?



Ta.

[dandarez]

Ok, here's some clues before u look in mag.
A mate of mine has 1 of these and it embarrasses some VERY quick machinery! Some even take the first exit to save the embarrassment -Ho, ho. He blew away a Evo last week and said jokingly, that the driver stopped in a layby, probably to check if his bottle of Sunny Delight had rolled under his seat and got stuck under the throttle!!!!!!!! I liked that.
Price by the way is for one in standard form.
There are some indecently quick ones out there - a heavily modded one holds the record as the fastest FWD saloon in the world.
To most people the car is a joke (bit warmer now?) but a set of lowered spring, decent dampers and set of alloys borrowed from a stablemate and its original not so good handling is transformed. A Pug incidently could NOT live with it.

[Guy Humpage]

It's an 'MG' Maestro Turbo.

[MGTurbo]

[quote]He blew away a Evo last week and said jokingly, that the driver stopped in a layby, probably to check if his bottle of Sunny Delight had rolled under his seat and got stuck under the throttle!!!!!!!! I liked that.
[/quote]

Sounds similar to the guy that was along side me whilst waiting for the quarter mile run at Santa Pod. He was in a Focus RS and chickened out at the last minute, so that i could race a Clio 1.2 Oasis... I was the clear winner in that one..

[eein]

Fastest FWD is a yellow civic.

www.nhrasportcompact.com/2002/events/race08/photos/photo14.jpg

[anonymous-user]

Sounds like it could be a Nissan Pulsar/Sunny GTi-R to me. Anywhere near?

[dandarez]

already mentioned - it's an MG MAESTRO TURBO. Don't laugh, prices are likely to rise even higher - get this: a Maestro Turbo appears in the next Playstation Gran Turismo 4 out late Dec.

As for the fastest FWD in the world - it is H899 MOV - Andy Nicholls (well it was, he's just sold it) and unlike the other cars mentioned here this Maestro is ROAD LEGAL!!!!!!! Andy actually drives it to work. Figs i have are standing 1/4 mile, 120 mph 12.4 secs, 0-100 8.2s. 330 bhp at flywheel

[dandarez]

bit more info/results from passionford.com:

Trophy Announcements Redline TOTB 2 Sunday 3rd August 2003
Class Winners
1/4m Drag
Class A front Wheel Drive
Name Andy Nicholls MG Maestro Time 12.48 127mph
Class B Rear Wheel Drive
Name Duncan Couper Dax Rush Time 11.31 123mph
Class C 4 Wheel drive
Name Keith Cowie R32 Skyline Time 9.95s 153mph
Handling
Class A front Wheel Drive
Name Andy Nicholls MG Maestro Time 44.66s
Class B Rear Wheel Drive
Name Nadine Geary Dodge Viper Time 41.24s
Class C 4 Wheel drive
Name Dave Gammon Evo 6 Time 39.61s
Top Speed
Class A front Wheel Drive
Name Sunny Khalsa Fiesta Zetec Turbo Speed 169.7mph
Class B Rear Wheel Drive
Name Paul Whiffin Supra Turbo Speed 180.9mph
Class C 4 Wheel drive
Name Keith Cowie Skyline R32 GTR Speed 194.1mph
Japanese Performance Magazine Awards
Fastest Jap Car 1/4m Keith Cowie Skyline 9.9s 153mph
Fastest Jap Car Lap Dave Gammon Evo 6 39.61s
Highest Jap Car Top Speed Keith Cowie Skyline 194.1mph
Aquamist ERL Fastest 1/4m trophy
Fwd Andy Nicholls Rwd tbc 4wd Simon Norris Evo 7
Redline TOTB 2 Top Speed Champion
Name Keith Cowie R32 GTR
Redline TOTB 2 Handling Shootout Champion
Name Jason Hulbert Evo 4 RS
Redline TOTB 2 Drag Shootout Champion
Name Hugh Keir Skyline GTR
Redline TOTB 2 Team Award
Winners Skyline GTR Register, runners up M.L.R, 3rd Vipers.
Redline TOTB 2 Overall Winner 2003
Name Rocket Ronnie Skyline R33 GTR 22 points out of a possible 36
***** TOTB 2 Dvd and video will be ready for Trax 2003 and will be
featured on Sky Sports in October 2003****

[dandarez]

bit more info/results from passionford.com:

Trophy Announcements Redline TOTB 2 Sunday 3rd August 2003
Class Winners
1/4m Drag
Class A front Wheel Drive
Name Andy Nicholls MG Maestro Time 12.48 127mph
Class B Rear Wheel Drive
Name Duncan Couper Dax Rush Time 11.31 123mph
Class C 4 Wheel drive
Name Keith Cowie R32 Skyline Time 9.95s 153mph
Handling
Class A front Wheel Drive
Name Andy Nicholls MG Maestro Time 44.66s
Class B Rear Wheel Drive
Name Nadine Geary Dodge Viper Time 41.24s
Class C 4 Wheel drive
Name Dave Gammon Evo 6 Time 39.61s
Top Speed
Class A front Wheel Drive
Name Sunny Khalsa Fiesta Zetec Turbo Speed 169.7mph
Class B Rear Wheel Drive
Name Paul Whiffin Supra Turbo Speed 180.9mph
Class C 4 Wheel drive
Name Keith Cowie Skyline R32 GTR Speed 194.1mph
Japanese Performance Magazine Awards
Fastest Jap Car 1/4m Keith Cowie Skyline 9.9s 153mph
Fastest Jap Car Lap Dave Gammon Evo 6 39.61s
Highest Jap Car Top Speed Keith Cowie Skyline 194.1mph
Aquamist ERL Fastest 1/4m trophy
Fwd Andy Nicholls Rwd tbc 4wd Simon Norris Evo 7
Redline TOTB 2 Top Speed Champion
Name Keith Cowie R32 GTR
Redline TOTB 2 Handling Shootout Champion
Name Jason Hulbert Evo 4 RS
Redline TOTB 2 Drag Shootout Champion
Name Hugh Keir Skyline GTR
Redline TOTB 2 Team Award
Winners Skyline GTR Register, runners up M.L.R, 3rd Vipers.
Redline TOTB 2 Overall Winner 2003
Name Rocket Ronnie Skyline R33 GTR 22 points out of a possible 36
***** TOTB 2 Dvd and video will be ready for Trax 2003 and will be
featured on Sky Sports in October 2003****

[king arthur]

But how many can there be still around in standard form? They only made about 600 in the first place, I shouldn't think more than half are still on the road.

God, I could have had one of those cars about ten years ago, but was scared of the insurance and went for the 2.0i instead

[dandarez]

505 Maestro Turbos to be exact and surprisingly a lot still survive - i believe over half are registered on an MG site, despite all the rust woes. True they do rot, but its mainly cosmetic like arches , unlike Fords which disintegrate in hidden vital areas like strut turrets! A strange statistic is the Montego Turbo had a production run in excess of 7,000 yet it seems fewer of these survive than the Maestro version - thanks to the press slagging them off many think they are worthless and scrap them - its not unknown for 1 owner cars to be told its worth nothing and ACTUALLY have driven them to yards, complete with tax and mot and watched them put in the crusher! Values on these are too rising steeply, not surprisingly.

[MGTurbo]

eein said:

Fastest FWD is a yellow civic. www.nhrasportcompact.com/2002/events/race08/photos/photo14.jpg

Hardly road legal is it? Andy's old car used road legal tyres and was taxed and mot'ed, making it the fastest FWD car in the UK, and most definatly the fastest Maestro in the world! Fastest road legal FWD car in the states will be different, no doubt Mitsubishi Eclipse's etc hold that title.

Gareth

[Simonrockman]

And to prove that they still make naff fast cars:

www.dodge.com/srt-4/index.html?context=homepage&type=vehicle_nav



To quote the site:

SRT-4's engine is a turbocharged and intercooled 2.4-liter DOHC 16-valve 4-cylinder that produces an impressive 230-horsepower and 250 lb. ft. of torque. Producing that kind of power from a 2.4-liter engine is one thing, but few could make it work day-in and day-out like SRT-4.
New Quaife Automatic Torque Biasing (ATB) differential to help put the power to the ground
Dual-outlet exhaust system
0-60 in under six seconds with a 148 mph (electronically limited) top speed
High capacity clutch and pressure plate
Fully independent MacPherson struts on the front suspension

[accident]

maestro turbo was a quick motor.
however,they didnt corner at all ever.they really didnt stop all that well.hence there are very few left bue to impact damage.then there was the tin worm that destroyed the few that were left.
and as for crash safety they were less safe in a crash than a mini filled with pointed sticks

[edc]

There's a few VAG 1.8T FWD cars pushing 400 bhp. Somebody out there probably has one with even more.

[Balmoral Green]

I really rate the standard 2.0 Efi MG Maestro, I have to say I have never tried a Turbo, but I did spend some time in a Montego Turbo which was quick but not nice (I preferred the standard EFi). I think they were slagged off at the time for no other reason than it was fashionable to do so. If you compare them with their mainstream competitors of the period they were really very good cars. I think with all the choice that we have now, folks forget what it was like twenty years ago. If you were a rep, you could have a 1.6L Sierra/Cavalier/Montego and that was it, the press always rated the Montego as the best, but nobody believed them. Going up market you could have a 2 litre Sierra, or a Cavalier CD, or an MG Montego, again I would have the latter.

I remember that CAR magazine did a giant test at the time for the best hot hatch, the article was called 'Exploding the GTI myth' if I remember rightly.

Anyway, top spot went to the Strada Abarth, then the MG, stuff like the XR3i, GTE , GTI etc was way down the list.

[LuS1fer]

Simonrockman said:

And to prove that they still make naff fast cars: www.dodge.com/srt-4/index.html?context=homepage&type=vehicle_nav To quote the site: SRT-4's engine is a turbocharged and intercooled 2.4-liter DOHC 16-valve 4-cylinder that produces an impressive 230-horsepower and 250 lb. ft. of torque. Producing that kind of power from a 2.4-liter engine is one thing, but few could make it work day-in and day-out like SRT-4. New Quaife Automatic Torque Biasing (ATB) differential to help put the power to the ground Dual-outlet exhaust system 0-60 in under six seconds with a 148 mph (electronically limited) top speed High capacity clutch and pressure plate Fully independent MacPherson struts on the front suspension

This car won Sports Compact Of The Year in a new American Sports Compact magazine which specialises in fast imports like Subarus and the like so don't dismiss it so lightly. No wait, it's American, I forgot you have to condemn the car before knowing anything about it, let alone driving it.