RE: Euro NCap To Overhaul Car Safety Ratings
RE: Euro NCap To Overhaul Car Safety Ratings
Thursday 28th August 2008

Euro NCap To Overhaul Car Safety Ratings

New system will assess 'overall safety' of cars



The ratings system by which the safety of cars is assessed is to be overhauled from next year, it has been revealed. Euro NCap, the European body in charge of car safety, will soon be looking at the ‘overall safety’ of cars, instead of just certain categories.

The new system will take into account technological advancements such as electronic stability control, and for the first time cars will be rated on how well each vehicle protects adult occupants from whiplash. Until now cars have been rated on how well they protect passengers and pedestrians whilst being put through a crash simulator.

However it has become apparent to NCap that car companies have been targeting the adult occupation part of the test in order to attract customers with high scores. In the latest test four out of five cars achieved top marks in adult occupant protection, but just two - the Renault Koleos and the Hyundai i30 - scored as high as four out of five for child occupant protection. For pedestrian protection all but one of the cars on test were given two stars out of the possible four. The Mercedes ML Class off-roader received just one star.  

A spokesman for Euro NCap said: ‘Euro NCap believes that consumers are interested in the safety offered to all occupants and also to other road users when they are choosing a new car; for this reason, Euro NCap is developing a new system that will reward the overall safety of the vehicle.’   

Michiel van Ratingen, Euro NCap’s secretary general, said he is glad that more and more cars are scoring top marks in the tests, but he believes the safety bar must continue to be raised. 'Our new rating system will do this,’ he added. 'I have no doubt that manufactures will step up to the challenge.'

The first results under the new system are expected to be released in February 2009.  

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RB Will

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Thursday 28th August 2008
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So I need an ML if I want to run someone over.

ZesPak

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218 months

Thursday 28th August 2008
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RB Will said:
So I need an ML if I want to run someone over.
No quote's on the G-wagon, but I reckon that will be an even safer (no pun intended) bet biggrin

rockystarr

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210 months

Thursday 28th August 2008
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does not sound like a bad idea as far as human life is concerned but does the g-wizz covered in this new system as that gets written off crashing into a coffee table!

Tom74

658 posts

252 months

Thursday 28th August 2008
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Article said:
For pedestrian protection all but one of the cars on test were given two stars out of the possible four. The Mercedes ML Class off-roader received just one star!
Who the hell goes into their dealer and says " I really need a car thats kind to pedestrians when I hit them"?? This smacks of stupid euro rules to me.

patmahe

5,900 posts

226 months

Thursday 28th August 2008
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I wonder if weight will be taken into account as it effects so much in a car

dpbird90

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212 months

Thursday 28th August 2008
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Yes, you need an ML for mowing down any tt who gets in your way. Either that or a Challenger II tank...

gezkc

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233 months

Thursday 28th August 2008
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I really can't understand the thinking behind testing for pedestrian safety. If you get hit by one and a half tonnes of anything, be it a car or a (very large) lump of cotton wool, it's going to hurt.

Prevention is always better than cure. The most effective way to stop pedestrians getting hurt when they're hit by cars is to stop them getting hit by cars.
Publicising the Green Cross Code would be a good starting point.

900T-R

20,406 posts

279 months

Thursday 28th August 2008
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I don't specifically look to mow over pedestrians, but having every bl00dy new car including my MINI (the hint is in the name, Eurocrats) have the frontal aspect of a sodding 4x4 to accomodate the stupidity of people looking to remove themselves from the gene pool, is something else. irked

I take it they're going to design trains to to be 'car friendly' when drivers enter railroad crossings without looking? Oh no of course not, that's public transport and as such exempt from the raging safety and environment debate...

Mr Whippy

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263 months

Thursday 28th August 2008
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Just drive a tank if you care that much about being squished in a crash!

I wonder if they can gauge passive protection too, ie, Elk testing, or emergency stop testing, or stopping distances in the wet etc etc...

I'd rather a car stop before an accident, or slow down 50% more, than a bigger heavier crapper car that will just plough into an accident faster but leave more energy to be lost, or just smash other people to pieces in their smaller cars.

Dave

HiRich

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Thursday 28th August 2008
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Tom74 said:
Who the hell goes into their dealer and says " I really need a car thats kind to pedestrians when I hit them"?? This smacks of stupid euro rules to me.
No-one who should be allowed near the driving seat, but I suspect insurance companies would take an interest.
It's also worth noting that in the recent 2007 road casualties data, deaths of 'soft' targets (peds, cyclists) dropped significantly from 2006. One of the few logical reasons for this would be the rising number of new cars with softer front ends.

Xaero

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Thursday 28th August 2008
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This is quite big news as far as car makers are concerned. Especially companies like Renault who gear their cars around ncap tests to get the top marks. Volvo who say it doesn't measure actual overall safety and not submit their cars for testing may be interested now, be nice to see how that pans out.

Its a bit like exam revision these days, gearing people (or cars in this case) to pass a test and not actually be all around proficient.

900T-R

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Thursday 28th August 2008
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Xaero said:
Its a bit like exam revision these days, gearing people (or cars in this case) to pass a test and not actually be all around proficient.
yes And technocrats thinking they somehow make things 'better' through their interference with all & everything.

lionrampant

577 posts

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Thursday 28th August 2008
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and also to other road users when they are choosing a new car
We really, really don't. angel

Edited by lionrampant on Thursday 28th August 18:29

Negative Creep

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249 months

Thursday 28th August 2008
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Great, more pedestrian regulations mean we'll get more cars looking like this



hurl



Speed_Demon

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210 months

Thursday 28th August 2008
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I am really all for having a safe car, and I wish they would test more than just into a pole sideways and into a cube of concrete at 40. How safe is the car at 80? How about 100? That is how you could really tell the difference between cars. How about compartment accessability after? (thinking S class with it's cut lines etc).

jbcalvin

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Thursday 28th August 2008
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Anybody want to guess how long it takes Renault to get it's first 5 star rating under the new regs....

Especially as they own Euro Ncap..... rolleyes

Cynical... moi....non....

sjg

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287 months

Thursday 28th August 2008
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Xaero said:
This is quite big news as far as car makers are concerned. Especially companies like Renault who gear their cars around ncap tests to get the top marks. Volvo who say it doesn't measure actual overall safety and not submit their cars for testing may be interested now, be nice to see how that pans out.
Volvo have six cars tested/rated by NCAP - the S40 was one of the early ones and the first to get 4 stars.

afaik, Renault don't have any financial involvement with EuroNCAP, they just chose to emphasise safety features that would get a good rating when they were designing the things.

ffelan

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Thursday 28th August 2008
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nobody give a toss what their car will do to a pedestrian.... until brown find a way to tax us on it.....


HCT

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Thursday 28th August 2008
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HiRich said:
I suspect insurance companies would take an interest.
Insurers punish you for buying a car that is kind to pedestrians you run over. A badly injured person costs more than a dead person. Because the costs of accidents are taken into account for the insurance groups you already pay for the pedestrian safety of your car.

Talksteer

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Thursday 28th August 2008
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Negative Creep said:
Great, more pedestrian regulations mean we'll get more cars looking like this



hurl
Or ones looking like this:



Remember when cars used to look like this, just to pass 5mph bumper tests;





Those regulations are still in force and today's cars pass them without needing black plastic monstrosities on either end.

Pedestrian safety regulations will all be passable for negligible cost increases and with very little visual compromise once car manufacturers start designing in these features from the start like on the jaguar xk.

Ultimately it is far easier to get some design engineers to make the front ends of cars safer than it is to get people to stop being run over, crossing a road isn't difficult getting people to adopt the correct behaviour is.