RE: Government Accused of Road Toll 'Bullying'
RE: Government Accused of Road Toll 'Bullying'
Monday 17th November 2008

Government Accused of Road Toll 'Bullying'

Threat to refuse public transport funding in Manchester if public refuse road tolls


Hoon in 'I love cars' mode
Hoon in 'I love cars' mode
The Government has been accused of bullying the public into accepting road tolls. Ministers have reportedly threatened to withhold £1.5 billion of public funding for public transport in Manchester unless the city agrees to be a test bed for pay-as-you-drive road pricing.

According to The Times newspaper Geoff Hoon, the Transport Secretary, said money for extra buses and, as well as a new tram system, would be withheld unless a majority of Greater Manchester’s 1.8million population voted ‘yes’ in next month’s road pricing referendum.

The comments were made in an interview with the newspaper and have been blasted by opponents of Manchester’s planned charging scheme. The proposals would mean that cars are fitted with electronic tags and set up with prepaid accounts.

Up to £5 a day would be deducted automatically from these accounts as they drive around the city on an inner and outer ring. The Manchester scheme is being seen as essential for paving the way for national road pricing and a ‘no’ vote could lead to a ten year delay.

Mr Hoon said without road pricing Manchester would get no funding. ‘There is no Plan B. I would not want people to be under any illusion about that,’ he said. Asked if Manchester would get even a small proportion of what it needed if it voted ‘no’, Mr Hoon said: ‘None whatsoever. If the vote is ‘no', there will be no central government funding. The rules are very clear.’

Graham Stringer, Labour MP for Manchester Blackley and a member of the Commons Transport Select Committee, said: ‘This is last-minute bullying by Mr Hoon. It shows how worried they are about losing.’

Nigel Humphries, spokesman for the Association of British Drivers, said: ‘The Government is holding a gun to Manchester's head. They know congestion charging is unpopular, but they are trying to introduce it by the back door by picking on a city which has been trying for years to get the money to expand its tram system.’

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chris_crossley

Original Poster:

1,164 posts

305 months

Monday 17th November 2008
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Plan B does exists, it's called improve public transport!!!
Make it cheaper than a car and punctual.
Then people will use public transport. When I travelled there from leeds i had no choice but to use the car. The Intercity tain went at 30mph on some parts of the line, its so decayed. Leeds to Manchester for FFS!

Do these people actually use public transport?

<b>Too much stick and no bloody carrot in this country.</b> Too much boarding school eh!

OJ

14,186 posts

250 months

Monday 17th November 2008
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So this is what democracy has come to then?

Xaero

4,063 posts

237 months

Monday 17th November 2008
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So this is blackmail then. Although I'm sure Labour will spin it as 'making a deal'.

CypherP

4,421 posts

214 months

Monday 17th November 2008
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Its basically 'Do what we say, or you'll all suffer for it'. Im sorry but how is road pricing more important in that context? One person per car in congestion, paying road pricing, or having 40-60 people on one tram? Im guessing Mr. Hoon hasn't worked out the environmental benefits yet.

They're not even being seen to be making efforts to be 'green' anymore. In their desperate attempt to hold on to what little they have, the money-making/taxing/bleeding schemes are really starting to show now.

Edited by CypherP on Monday 17th November 12:32

jaik

2,002 posts

235 months

Monday 17th November 2008
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This doesn't surprise me, they probably need to run road pricing for a few years just to pay for all the bloody posters they've put up around the city, especially on public transport. I use public transport to get into Manchester 5 days a week for work and it does need investment, but I'm not going to (in principle) sacrifice my freedom of movement so I can have a slightly quicker or more comfortable train journey to work.

smash

2,062 posts

250 months

Monday 17th November 2008
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Mr Hoon - ironically genius name!!

zimmerman

166 posts

217 months

Monday 17th November 2008
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Utterley dispicable behavior!

If this does go through the it will be the beginning of the end for all other major cities in the UK.

ranting PUBLIC TRANSPORT IS HOPELESS AND OVERPRICED. SORT IT OUT AND PEOPLE WILL USE IT!!

matmoxon

5,026 posts

240 months

Monday 17th November 2008
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Another reason (as if one was needed) to vote this shower out.

Lets just hope that the people of Manchester stand up to this bulling and say no to road pricing, this is one thing that needs to be fought toot and nail to get rid of it.

Matt

Edited by matmoxon on Monday 17th November 12:37

wab172uk

2,005 posts

249 months

Monday 17th November 2008
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If Manchester does vote no, they'll just move on and Bully some other City until they get what they want.

Edited by wab172uk on Monday 17th November 12:39

CTE

1,512 posts

262 months

Monday 17th November 2008
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Given the mess our economy is in I doubt the treasury has the money, so it has to be raised somehow...not that I am in favour of road pricing of course, we already pay too much with all the exsiting taxes associated with running a car.
I am slightly confused however, the government is borrowing billions to help prop up the economy and create jobs etc, so why can`t some of this money be used for such worthwhile schemes, or is it only really going to prop up the snivel servants pension schemes??

Loaded1me

189 posts

216 months

Monday 17th November 2008
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Is it not time we bullied these shower of bds and told them to do what we want, or they can fk off and die!!!!
Gobste fkwits bd bks piss!!!

E21_Ross

36,556 posts

234 months

Monday 17th November 2008
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i guess we are living in a dictatorship then?

it's like...they ask them to vote to try and make it sound like democracy...but it's pure blackmail.

rockystarr

122 posts

210 months

Monday 17th November 2008
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This is blackmail! furious In any other country we would condemm it but not here. Lets just have a huge riot!

Old Geezer

3,598 posts

216 months

Monday 17th November 2008
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On the one hand it looks like bullying.

On the other it looks like support if you make the change.

So it's up to you lot in Manchester to decide.

Make car use dearer but get better public transport investment.

Should be the other way round, but there you go.

Callan.T89

8,422 posts

215 months

Monday 17th November 2008
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Bullying twunts, too angry to write more coherant argument...

leon9191

752 posts

215 months

Monday 17th November 2008
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OJ said:
So this is what democracy has come to then?
+1. my god this is unfair! I can not believe it is allowed.

E21_Ross

36,556 posts

234 months

Monday 17th November 2008
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i have a question for someone...

with this road pricing paying per mile of driving, does this mean we will get free petrol? or do we still need to pay a lot for petrol, then pay even more to drive on the roads? if paying per mile on this new scheme, is road tax free? or is this just going to be an added cost on top of all the other crap?

cheers for any reply anyone.

rchadd

123 posts

239 months

Monday 17th November 2008
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who the hell does this government actually represent anymore? themselves and self serving bureaucrats and quangos i guess... we need a revolution and start again with a clear slate...

aarondrs

649 posts

218 months

Monday 17th November 2008
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As I have posted before, what ever happened to democracy. Am I being too Utopic to think that these people represent us and therefore do our bidding. Are we doing something wrong when they blatantly don't. Should we forget about democracy and all move to China where imposition in all things government is the norm.

No we shouldn't, nor am I being too utopic. Lets tell the government to do what we say or move over and let someone else in who will.

We not asking for free Mars Bars or no taxation. We are saying no road pricing, better public transport.

Sort it Out!

paranha

633 posts

264 months

Monday 17th November 2008
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This disclosure of Labours way of threatening councils is nothing new.In 2006 the DFT sent out a 30 page guideline of urban misery for nationwide action.

Reducing road space,retimimg traffic lights, pinch points,bus and cycle lanes were all suggested as the best methods to get drivers onto public transport.

Improvement grants and other funding for Complying councils were to be made available.Blackmail IS the labour way of governing life in the UK.