More Cayennes than 911s...
Discussion
Just spotted this on uk.finance.yahoo.com...
"The iconic 911 sports car was the group's second best-selling model, at 13,543 units, down from 16,261 a year earlier, while customers bought 16,773 Cayenne sports utility vehicles, compared with 20,638 in the previous year."
I had no idea they churn out more Cayennes than 911s. Not surprising there is a rush for even more of these daft cars (X6M, etc.) - they really do make a stack of cash from them...
Richard.
"The iconic 911 sports car was the group's second best-selling model, at 13,543 units, down from 16,261 a year earlier, while customers bought 16,773 Cayenne sports utility vehicles, compared with 20,638 in the previous year."
I had no idea they churn out more Cayennes than 911s. Not surprising there is a rush for even more of these daft cars (X6M, etc.) - they really do make a stack of cash from them...
Richard.
They have been amazingly big sellers. I have a Cayenne S. Ugly brute and the interior is notably less pleasant than my previous Touaregs, (they stopped bringing VW V8s into Canada so I changed). Its good to drive as SUV'S go, and is simply brilliant for towing a track car on a trailer. I think they have sold over 250,000 of them.
When it came out, I confidently predicted that it would be a miserable failure.
When it came out, I confidently predicted that it would be a miserable failure.
rejn said:
Just spotted this on uk.finance.yahoo.com...
I had no idea they churn out more Cayennes than 911s. Not surprising there is a rush for even more of these daft cars (X6M, etc.) - they really do make a stack of cash from them...
Richard.
I'm not surprised, 4-5 seater that is surprisingly practical vs Sports car bit of a no brainer I suppose.I had no idea they churn out more Cayennes than 911s. Not surprising there is a rush for even more of these daft cars (X6M, etc.) - they really do make a stack of cash from them...
Richard.
If there is one car that summed up Britain in the years leading up to 2008 for me, it was the Cayenne. It's as much a car of its time as the Mini was for the 1960s, the Allegro/Marina combination was for the 1970s, or, indeed, coming back to Porsche, the 911 Turbo for the 1980s. The attitudes and aspirations of the nation all rolled up in automotive form.
Whether it will become a classic, though, now there's the question.
Whether it will become a classic, though, now there's the question.
Having owned previously a 986 Boxster 3.2S, 987 Boxster 3.2S, 997 Carrera 4S, 987 Boxster 3.4s and then a 996 Turbo, I took delivery of a new Cayenne 3.6 tiptronic only 10 days ago. Given its weight, size and the smallest engine on offer, I expected to be somewhat disappointed by the drive. However, I was wrong - very wrong. It is spritely, can cope with spirited driving and is no worse on fuel than the 996 Turbo. Overall, it is an impressive car and worth much more respect and plaudits than it invariably receives.
Del
Del
I have just bought and sold a Cayenne GTS. I had a Range Rover Vogue 4.4 petrol and loved it. As it started to clock up the miles i looked around and liked the look of the GTS as it looked more stylish than other Cayenne's I had seen. 21 inch wheels, Turbo looks and 400+bhp of grunt. It looked great but the ride was awful, (no wonder Porsche are not having a 21 inch wheel option on the new diesel). It was wider than the Range Rover so around town some roads where impassable due to traffic calming width posts and I had nothing but jealous abuse from other motorists. 17 miles to the gallon on motorways, and barely 12mpg around the town. I hated it! I sold it on “PistonHeads”.
Today I have just gone and bought an ex demo Range Rover Vogue TDV8 8 months old 32 mpg and a great looker.
I’m puzzled why it’s the best seller but maybe like me, other people are tempted then wish they haven’t. Then again there are 121 Cayenne’s for sale on PH.
Today I have just gone and bought an ex demo Range Rover Vogue TDV8 8 months old 32 mpg and a great looker.
I’m puzzled why it’s the best seller but maybe like me, other people are tempted then wish they haven’t. Then again there are 121 Cayenne’s for sale on PH.
The existance of these type of vehicles baffles me. Why do people buy them?
I can see the point of a Land/Range Rover as they have an excellent capability off road for those who need that, but things like the X5/Tuareg/Cayenne etc. that look like off roaders but only ever run around the town on tall wheels and low profile tyres (..why not all-terrain tyres?) seem a contradiction in terms. I know they're fast and handle well but If I need space, I'd get an estate, and for speed, a Corvette, for off-road, a vehicle that can cut it.
My main problem with these vehicles especially the Volvo version is the amount of water they throw up on a wet motorway, overtaking them is like someone pointing a firehose at your windscreen. Its actually worse that an HGV.
I can see the point of a Land/Range Rover as they have an excellent capability off road for those who need that, but things like the X5/Tuareg/Cayenne etc. that look like off roaders but only ever run around the town on tall wheels and low profile tyres (..why not all-terrain tyres?) seem a contradiction in terms. I know they're fast and handle well but If I need space, I'd get an estate, and for speed, a Corvette, for off-road, a vehicle that can cut it.
My main problem with these vehicles especially the Volvo version is the amount of water they throw up on a wet motorway, overtaking them is like someone pointing a firehose at your windscreen. Its actually worse that an HGV.
Edited by exitwound on Thursday 16th April 13:07
exitwound said:
The existance of these type of vehicles baffles me. Why do people buy them?
I can see the point of a Land/Range Rover as they have an excellent capability off road for those who need that, but things like the X5/Tuareg/Cayenne etc. that look like off roaders but only ever run around the town on tall wheels and low profile tyres (..why not all-terrain tyres?) seem a contradiction in terms. I know they're fast and handle well but If I need space, I'd get an estate, and for speed, a Corvette, for off-road, a vehicle that can cut it.
My main problem with these vehicles especially the Volvo version is the amount of water they throw up on a wet motorway, overtaking them is like someone pointing a firehose at your windscreen. Its actually worse that an HGV.
The thing you are missing is that they are actually very very nice to drive, easy to get in and out of if your a bit older, great for putting kids in the back, can carry lots of stuff and great to see out of and they feel safe.I can see the point of a Land/Range Rover as they have an excellent capability off road for those who need that, but things like the X5/Tuareg/Cayenne etc. that look like off roaders but only ever run around the town on tall wheels and low profile tyres (..why not all-terrain tyres?) seem a contradiction in terms. I know they're fast and handle well but If I need space, I'd get an estate, and for speed, a Corvette, for off-road, a vehicle that can cut it.
My main problem with these vehicles especially the Volvo version is the amount of water they throw up on a wet motorway, overtaking them is like someone pointing a firehose at your windscreen. Its actually worse that an HGV.
Edited by exitwound on Thursday 16th April 13:07
Why not buy an X5 over a 5 series estate, pretty much the same inside, similar chassis, same engine, not too dissimilar running costs...except over here they can cope better with the pot holes and poor roads.
The Volvo if im not wrong has 7 seats as well.
Timberwolf said:
If there is one car that summed up Britain in the years leading up to 2008 for me, it was the Cayenne. It's as much a car of its time as the Mini was for the 1960s, the Allegro/Marina combination was for the 1970s, or, indeed, coming back to Porsche, the 911 Turbo for the 1980s. The attitudes and aspirations of the nation all rolled up in automotive form.
Whether it will become a classic, though, now there's the question.
Absolutely bang on. Just as Harry Enfields "loads a money" summed up earlier exercises in excess and bad tasteWhether it will become a classic, though, now there's the question.
The Cayenne is a very interesting car, being a Porsche SUV, with great on-road performance, and yet sharing its basis with a Volkswagen.
It may say something about Porsche's magic touch that they can so easily sell cars which so closely resemble VWs (356, 911, 912, Cayenne) or were conceived as VWs (924). If you look at it, Porsche's first cars for over a decade were very similar to VWs yet still sold like hot cakes and got the company where it is today, before it had any reputation or brand image on which to trade.
I don't understand the people who reckon it only sells because of the badge. If that's true, why do folks buy the similarly expensive VW version? Not exactly a badge you want to spend 30-60k on. If it was only bought for the badge nobody would buy the VW badged one.
I've never driven a Cayenne, but I have driven the Touareg as my family has the V10 twin turbo diesel which performs and handles stunningly. They produce over their quoted 308bhp and 550 lbft yet the chassis seems fine with it even on a B road. All while the economy about 5MPG better than even the smallest petrol 3.2. I wonder why Porsche never had the option of this engine? However the downsides at least in the VW are the average ride, the average interior feel, and lack of sporting DNA. I wonder if the Cayenne is actually any better in these areas (I don't think the interior is great..). I'm sure it's undeniably good, but is it good for Porsche's image?
Oh I took this pic near the factory last month:
It may say something about Porsche's magic touch that they can so easily sell cars which so closely resemble VWs (356, 911, 912, Cayenne) or were conceived as VWs (924). If you look at it, Porsche's first cars for over a decade were very similar to VWs yet still sold like hot cakes and got the company where it is today, before it had any reputation or brand image on which to trade.
I don't understand the people who reckon it only sells because of the badge. If that's true, why do folks buy the similarly expensive VW version? Not exactly a badge you want to spend 30-60k on. If it was only bought for the badge nobody would buy the VW badged one.
I've never driven a Cayenne, but I have driven the Touareg as my family has the V10 twin turbo diesel which performs and handles stunningly. They produce over their quoted 308bhp and 550 lbft yet the chassis seems fine with it even on a B road. All while the economy about 5MPG better than even the smallest petrol 3.2. I wonder why Porsche never had the option of this engine? However the downsides at least in the VW are the average ride, the average interior feel, and lack of sporting DNA. I wonder if the Cayenne is actually any better in these areas (I don't think the interior is great..). I'm sure it's undeniably good, but is it good for Porsche's image?
Oh I took this pic near the factory last month:
Edited by Pentoman on Thursday 23 April 12:07
Pentoman said:
I don't understand the people who reckon it only sells because of the badge. If that's true, why do folks buy the similarly expensive VW version? Not exactly a badge you want to spend 30-60k on. If it was only bought for the badge nobody would buy the VW badged one
Well judging by the singular lack of Touregs I see on UK roads they don't - so I guess that answeres your question...Mr Dave said:
exitwound said:
The existance of these type of vehicles baffles me. Why do people buy them?
I can see the point of a Land/Range Rover as they have an excellent capability off road for those who need that, but things like the X5/Tuareg/Cayenne etc. that look like off roaders but only ever run around the town on tall wheels and low profile tyres (..why not all-terrain tyres?) seem a contradiction in terms. I know they're fast and handle well but If I need space, I'd get an estate, and for speed, a Corvette, for off-road, a vehicle that can cut it.
My main problem with these vehicles especially the Volvo version is the amount of water they throw up on a wet motorway, overtaking them is like someone pointing a firehose at your windscreen. Its actually worse that an HGV.
The thing you are missing is that they are actually very very nice to drive, easy to get in and out of if your a bit older, great for putting kids in the back, can carry lots of stuff and great to see out of and they feel safe.I can see the point of a Land/Range Rover as they have an excellent capability off road for those who need that, but things like the X5/Tuareg/Cayenne etc. that look like off roaders but only ever run around the town on tall wheels and low profile tyres (..why not all-terrain tyres?) seem a contradiction in terms. I know they're fast and handle well but If I need space, I'd get an estate, and for speed, a Corvette, for off-road, a vehicle that can cut it.
My main problem with these vehicles especially the Volvo version is the amount of water they throw up on a wet motorway, overtaking them is like someone pointing a firehose at your windscreen. Its actually worse that an HGV.
Edited by exitwound on Thursday 16th April 13:07
Why not buy an X5 over a 5 series estate, pretty much the same inside, similar chassis, same engine, not too dissimilar running costs...except over here they can cope better with the pot holes and poor roads.
The Volvo if im not wrong has 7 seats as well.
I live in the country and in winter the hedges are full (..one day last winter, on a 12mile stretch, 8 cars off the road, 6 were SUV's including one Cayenne) of these things that are bought in a mistaken belief that they are safer. RMS in Prestwick where I get my exhausts etc, always has a collection of tall, bent and scuffed SUV alloys off these things in for repair as they can't deal with rough roads or kerbs that they can't see due to the height etc. Ever seen one trying to change lanes on a motorway at speed?
I reckon that the owners have a subconcious knowledge that they can't operate a vehicle safely, and therefore are pointed subliminally to something that they perceive as 'safe' much like a pregnant woman is driven to eat all kinds of weird crap as its her body's way of acquiring minerals it needs!
If anyone feels so inadequate that you need more height than most whilst 'driving' then they really need a chat with the shrink...
Gassing Station | Motoring News | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff