Fuel duty up 2p in September

[jimpritchard]

What a surprise.. robbing g1ts!

[clonmult]

I've been trying to figure out why the level of taxation has to rise all the time on fuel; same applies to tobacco and alcohol.

They may as well keep on pumping up car tax .... but that'd be governmental suicide.

At the end of the day, all these taxes are just used to attempt to keep horrendously inefficient government departments working (in the loosest sense), get pumped into a variety of government projects/IT systems/etc that invariably spiral totally out of control ....

[MarkwG]

"I've been trying to figure out why the level of taxation has to rise all the time on fuel; same applies to tobacco and alcohol."

It doesn't, it's habit: a habit I could almost live with, if any of it got spent fixing the roads

[jimpritchard]

MarkwG said:

"I've been trying to figure out why the level of taxation has to rise all the time on fuel; same applies to tobacco and alcohol."

It doesn't, it's habit: a habit I could almost live with, if any of it got spent fixing the roads

Bottom line is, the motorist is a cash cow to be milked....
And there was me thinking that the cost of fuel had a direct impact on pretty much everything that the consumer buys, if fuel goes up, our costs go up, and so we all have less money in our pockets. Trouble is, many of us HAVE to drive, so we have no choice... Fuel protests anyone??

[lescombes]

Any diesel owner here should go for the veg oil option, maybe create a co-op to share the cost to buy the plant and to produce Bio Diesel, lets be honest there are enough Take Away joints out there who have old veg oil to get rid of....

You can have 2500 litres (550 Gallons)...TAX free....got to be the way forward....

550 gallons......37 tank fills in my motor....got to be the way forward....and the government lose duty...the trouble is how many people can be arsed to spend a little time making free fuel?

[dcb]

clonmult said:

I've been trying to figure out why the level of taxation has to rise all the time on fuel; same applies to tobacco and alcohol.

They may as well keep on pumping up car tax .... but that'd be governmental suicide.

At the end of the day, all these taxes are just used to attempt to keep horrendously inefficient government departments working (in the loosest sense), get pumped into a variety of government projects/IT systems/etc that invariably spiral totally out of control ....

According to those lovely folks at the BBC, UK Gov debt this year
*only* is £ 175 Billion.

That's a bit hard to comprehend, so I divided it by the number
of folks in the country, about 60 million.

So that's an eye popping £2,920 for every man, woman and child in the UK,
for this year only.

Call it £11,700 for a family of four.

I think taxes are going to rise ...

[leginigel]

lescombes said:

Any diesel owner here should go for the veg oil option, maybe create a co-op to share the cost to buy the plant and to produce Bio Diesel, lets be honest there are enough Take Away joints out there who have old veg oil to get rid of....

You can have 2500 litres (550 Gallons)...TAX free....got to be the way forward....

550 gallons......37 tank fills in my motor....got to be the way forward....and the government lose duty...the trouble is how many people can be arsed to spend a little time making free fuel?

Just setting up a all BIO FUEL sales point in Chelmsford,as for the price we hope to be about 10p to 15p cheaper than every were!Will put it up on here when we start.

[ianwayne]

They DID do something after those blockades in 2000. From the BBC archive:

"The Chancellor, Gordon Brown, offered concessions to the fuel protestors in his pre-budget report in November 2000."

Not that I'd encourage direct action of course.

There's a long document on the AA website listing the last 15 years of road tax and investment:

http://www.theaa.com/public_affairs/reports/tax-an...

"March 2001 – in his Budget the Chancellor delivers the 2p per litre reduction on ULSP fuel tax (3p per litre on diesel) and announces extending the reduced rate of VED to existing cars up to 1,549cc from July 2001"

Edited by ianwayne on Friday 24th April 08:49

[jimpritchard]

ianwayne said:

They DID do something after those blockades in 2000. From the BBC archive:

"The Chancellor, Gordon Brown, offered concessions to the fuel protestors in his pre-budget report in November 2000."

Not that I'd encourage direct action of course.

There's a long document on the AA website listing the last 15 years of road tax and investment:

http://www.theaa.com/public_affairs/reports/tax-an...

"March 2001 – in his Budget the Chancellor delivers the 2p per litre reduction on ULSP fuel tax (3p per litre on diesel) and announces extending the reduced rate of VED to existing cars up to 1,549cc from July 2001"

Edited by ianwayne on Friday 24th April 08:49

time for a repeat?

[herewego]

dcb said:

clonmult said:

I've been trying to figure out why the level of taxation has to rise all the time on fuel; same applies to tobacco and alcohol.

They may as well keep on pumping up car tax .... but that'd be governmental suicide.

At the end of the day, all these taxes are just used to attempt to keep horrendously inefficient government departments working (in the loosest sense), get pumped into a variety of government projects/IT systems/etc that invariably spiral totally out of control ....

According to those lovely folks at the BBC, UK Gov debt this year
*only* is £ 175 Billion.

That's a bit hard to comprehend, so I divided it by the number
of folks in the country, about 60 million.

So that's an eye popping £2,920 for every man, woman and child in the UK,
for this year only.

Call it £11,700 for a family of four.

I think taxes are going to rise ...

Yes but personal debt, that's debt that people have taken voluntarily is about 1.5 trillion. If people think they can pay off 1.5 trillion surely 175 billion should be no problem.

[Guybrush]

But not long ago, Gordon Clown said they were holding fuel price rises for the sake of "hard working families". What's changed? Don't they care anymore all of a sudden?

[dcb]

herewego said:

Yes but personal debt, that's debt that people have taken voluntarily is about 1.5 trillion.

I think you will find that almost all of that is mortgages.

Very little of it is short term debt like credit cards etc.

Unless your credit card bill is bigger than your mortgage !

herewego said:

If people think they can pay off 1.5 trillion surely 175 billion should be no problem.

The 1.5 trillion is mainly long term debt - 175 billion
is *this* *years* debt, with more to come next year no doubt.

It's a mess - any new administration next year will have a hard
time for the first couple of years.