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these are the latest pictures by motortred!!!!
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tell me what do you thing know!!!
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tell me what do you thing know!!!
PetrolTed said:
Corvettes do not handle and neither do vipers, also that picture looks a little nsx like around the frot and shoulders to me.
Surely that's just an outdated myth...?
That IS an outdated myth and stereotype - NOT FACT.
Have you ever driven a Z06 or Gen 3 Viper, cathalm? If you have, you'd realise that the handling is excellent. Both the Viper and the Corvette have beaten Porsches, Ferraris etc in ALMS and other motorsport events, and we all know that Porsches and Ferraris can handle. Oh, and the Z06 has lapped the Nurburgring in under 8 minutes - cars which can't handle do that.
I could go on and on about how wrong you are with FACTS not MYTHS, but I'd advise you to research. If these cars couldn't handle, then why do people buy them? People who buy these cars expect good handling, and they get that.
Did you ever see TOTB2, Cathalm? A certain Viper driver with a 600bhp Viper was on par with fully modified Skylines with 750bhp, modified brakes, modified suspension, and Evos designed for trackdays, oh and a Dax Rush. And the Viper had a stock chassis, yet it was running very competitively with these cars.
As for the styling remark, crash safety laws in the USA, as well as aerodynamics, dictate pretty much all of the styling of the car, that there is not much to work with - the general styling intention comes last.
That rolleyes smilie was directed at cathalm.
cathalm said:
Corvettes do not handle and neither do vipers, also that picture looks a little nsx like around the frot and shoulders to me.
Motor Trend Giant Test this year. The Z06 kicked the venerable asses of everything they threw at it including the 350Z and the Porsche 911. That's in handling, grip and performance in a straight line and round a track. I know that's a bit of a nuisance but hey....shit happens.
Some more thoughts...
Handling in motorsport isn't the same as handling on a real road. Most cars on a track are modified so claiming that car X beat car Y on a track proves that X is better has to taken as iffy unless you are absolutely certain that they are both stock.
Another issue is that American cars tend to be big machines for big roads while UK cars tend to be aimed at smaller lighter devices for twisting B roads. The suspension set ups will be optimised for the roads the cars were intended for.
Are road tests prejudiced against certain cars? I've heard that US mags give US cars an easy time. Corvette enthusiasts will probably claim the reverse in Europe. Any thoughts on this?
Handling in motorsport isn't the same as handling on a real road. Most cars on a track are modified so claiming that car X beat car Y on a track proves that X is better has to taken as iffy unless you are absolutely certain that they are both stock.
Another issue is that American cars tend to be big machines for big roads while UK cars tend to be aimed at smaller lighter devices for twisting B roads. The suspension set ups will be optimised for the roads the cars were intended for.
Are road tests prejudiced against certain cars? I've heard that US mags give US cars an easy time. Corvette enthusiasts will probably claim the reverse in Europe. Any thoughts on this?
I suspect that American mags used to give American cars an easy ride but they are becoming increasingly objective with proper track testing, g-force, figure of eight, in fact, just about everything that they can throw at it. Why? Because I think these days the Corvette Z06 is good enough to stand the closest scrutiny so they don't mind so much. Let's face it, the best-selling car in the US is a Toyota Camry and nobody ever praised that.
Also, the Subaru/Mitsubishi head to head is being touted as the new Camaro vs Mustang scenario. HUmble shopping trolley pumped up to muscle car.
As for Europe, it's a mixed bag. The C5 was an American car that they sold in Europe so whilst it may not have been cutting edge, it was a far cheaper car in the US. By the time the Z06 had banished all the C5 weaknesses, the European press weren't interested. CAR magazine tested one against an Impreza and some other key European mchinery and came away impressed. All who tried the Z06 came away impressed. Two reasons condemned it - left hand drive and the import costs made it a £50000 car instead of a $50000 car. That's why the interior suffers (I like it)- and that's why the Z06 in the States is half the price of a Porsche.
Can I also address one issue on the C6. It doesn't look like a Viper. The original Viper was all curves and bonnet and ellipsoidal lights. The C5 had the side strakes long before the Viper (arguably adapted from the early and latest Mustang)and the new Viper simply stole them and ironed them into sharp creases. Ergo, the C6 is a more faithful evolution of the C5 than the new Viper is of the old.
Also, the Subaru/Mitsubishi head to head is being touted as the new Camaro vs Mustang scenario. HUmble shopping trolley pumped up to muscle car.
As for Europe, it's a mixed bag. The C5 was an American car that they sold in Europe so whilst it may not have been cutting edge, it was a far cheaper car in the US. By the time the Z06 had banished all the C5 weaknesses, the European press weren't interested. CAR magazine tested one against an Impreza and some other key European mchinery and came away impressed. All who tried the Z06 came away impressed. Two reasons condemned it - left hand drive and the import costs made it a £50000 car instead of a $50000 car. That's why the interior suffers (I like it)- and that's why the Z06 in the States is half the price of a Porsche.
Can I also address one issue on the C6. It doesn't look like a Viper. The original Viper was all curves and bonnet and ellipsoidal lights. The C5 had the side strakes long before the Viper (arguably adapted from the early and latest Mustang)and the new Viper simply stole them and ironed them into sharp creases. Ergo, the C6 is a more faithful evolution of the C5 than the new Viper is of the old.
LuS1fer said:
All who tried the Z06 came away impressed. Two reasons condemned it - left hand drive and the import costs made it a £50000 car instead of a $50000 car. That's why the interior suffers (I like it)- and that's why the Z06 in the States is half the price of a Porsche.
Unfortunately thats the problem - and I guess it would be the same for TVR in the USA as well (and Lotus probably). What is a bargain in one country might not be one in another. As a result it tends to be only the real enthusiasts who buy one. Limited market and high price kinda killed it off in the UK - which is a shame. But as you rightly point out - a $50,000 car in the US is a bargain.... a £50,000 in the UK isnt.....
Still, they do handle and drive well (contrary to what Clarkson might say about the old ones) and are generally very reliable. If only they were a little cheaper....
cymtriks said:
Some more thoughts...
Handling in motorsport isn't the same as handling on a real road. Most cars on a track are modified so claiming that car X beat car Y on a track proves that X is better has to taken as iffy unless you are absolutely certain that they are both stock.
Another issue is that American cars tend to be big machines for big roads while UK cars tend to be aimed at smaller lighter devices for twisting B roads. The suspension set ups will be optimised for the roads the cars were intended for.
Are road tests prejudiced against certain cars? I've heard that US mags give US cars an easy time. Corvette enthusiasts will probably claim the reverse in Europe. Any thoughts on this?
As a measure of performance if all vehicles are measured in the same way that is a good way of gauging which vehicle is superior to it's peers. Road and Track is particularly good at doing this - far better than most British mags.
Obviously the pick of the editor for which vehicle they'd recommend will be determined by the value for money. Premium European cars at high prices will need to be significantly better than a cheaper alternative to get recommended.
Most of the journalists working for the big magazines - Car & Driver, Motor Trend, Road and Track and Automobile are total petrolheads. Most of the comments they make seem well justified. I don't think their attitude to a Corvette vs Porsche would be any different to an Autocar journalist reviewing a Rover versus other superminis. You'd love the local car to do well but the magazine needs to preserve integrity to keep readers so you have to tell it how it is.
While many American vehicles are bigger there are a lot of vehicles sold of a comparable size to those in the UK. Motor Trend's Car of the Year 2000 was a Lincoln LS, which is based on the same running gear as a Jaguar S-Type. Plus it was significantly cheaper than the competition. As value for money goes it was difficult to beat.
There are other vehicles that win COTY that I cannot understand. This year the Toyota Prius II has won COTY. IMHO it is just ugly, and nobody wants an ugly car.
Just as an FYI, Lutz's boys at the Chevy Skunkworks are already working on massaging the C6 into a world beater. They are currently assembling a project that will see the car at about 650hp, major refinements in handling and a limited production run. The car will be estimated at around $ 100,000 US. Code name for the project is "Blue Devil". Some are assuming that this is the reaction to the Ford GT halo car, thus the project name...
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