RE: Hybrids Increase Risk Of Pedestrian Strikes
RE: Hybrids Increase Risk Of Pedestrian Strikes
Monday 9th November 2009

Hybrids Increase Risk Of Pedestrian Strikes

Statistics prove the threat we all heard coming


A new study released by the National Highway Traffic Safety Association in the US has provided figures to back up anecdotal evidence that hybrid cars running in electric 'stealth mode' increase the dangers to pedestrians.

Hybrid SUVs: Big, ugly, and now officially dangerous?
Hybrid SUVs: Big, ugly, and now officially dangerous?
The NHTSA report entitled Incidence of Pedestrian and Bicyclist Crashes by Hybrid Electric Passenger Vehicles found "that pedestrian and bicyclist crashes involving both HEVs (hybrid electric) and ICE (internal combustion) vehicles commonly occurred on roadways, in zones with low speed limits, during daytime and in clear weather, with higher incidence rates for HEVs when compared to ICE vehicles".

A variety of crash factors were examined to determine the relative incidence rates of HEVs versus ICE vehicles in a range of crash scenarios, the NHTSA says:

"For one group of scenarios, those in which a vehicle is slowing or stopping, backing up, or entering or leaving a parking space, a statistically significant effect was found due to engine type. The HEV was two times more likely to be involved in a pedestrian crash in these situations than was an ICE vehicle.

"Similar to pedestrians, in crashes that occurred at very low speed, such as when a vehicle is making a turn, slowing or stopping, backing up, or entering or leaving a parking space, the incidence rate of bicyclist crashes involving HEVs was significantly higher when compared to ICE vehicles, and bicyclist crashes involving HEVs at intersections or interchanges were significantly higher when compared to ICE vehicles."

Does this mean our town centres will soon be filled with annoying electric beeps as car makers install alerts for dozy pedestrians? Or perhaps it just proves that TVRs made great city cars after all...

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dwilkie

Original Poster:

2,222 posts

208 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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To be fair, there's been plenty of times I haven't heard a petrol car coming, as some of them are very very quiet these days.

Of course I avoided getting run over. Because I looked before I crossed the road. Maybe we should come up with some sort of "code" for crossing the road. Perhaps name it something like the Green Code, since the green man on the traffic lights means go. Or howabout the Green Cross Code - since it helps you work out when it's safe to cross?

While we're at it, we could come up with another code for the use of the highway - we could call it something like the, I don't know, Road Code?

scratchchin

Honestly, people these days!

E21_Ross

36,527 posts

234 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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dwilkie said:
To be fair, there's been plenty of times I haven't heard a petrol car coming, as some of them are very very quiet these days.

Of course I avoided getting run over. Because I looked before I crossed the road. Maybe we should come up with some sort of "code" for crossing the road. Perhaps name it something like the Green Code, since the green man on the traffic lights means go. Or howabout the Green Cross Code - since it helps you work out when it's safe to cross?

While we're at it, we could come up with another code for the use of the highway - we could call it something like the, I don't know, Road Code?

scratchchin

Honestly, people these days!
hehe i swear i've come across some of those names before... must be all in my head though!

1960Zody

156 posts

233 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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Bring back Tufty, The Road Safety Squirrel

Noe

91 posts

305 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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haha. classic story

Funny here in Tokyo those awful Prius are common ... the amount of near misses you see

I nearly got run down by one the other week as i didn't hear it sneak up, by the time i looked around i was able to slowly walk out the way

dougc

8,240 posts

287 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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1960Zody said:
Bring back Tufty, The Road Safety Squirrel
Sorry - Tufty got hit by a G-Wizz in London earlier this year.

RIP little fella...

number2301

508 posts

222 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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A great example of either biased research or biased reporting there. Of course in a place where the majority of cars have rumbling v8s under the bonnet an electric car is less noticeable. But in a world where the majority of cars were silent hybrid things people would pay more bloody attention.

Mars

9,850 posts

236 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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My car's engine is very quiet at parking speeds which nearly caught a woman out earlier today, however once you start moving the road-noise from the tyres would hard to ignore.

As said above, pedestrians just need to wake up before they contemplate mixing-it with traffic.

thewheelman

2,194 posts

195 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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Yeah......i've had to cut back on running into the road blindfolded since the Prius incident.

thewheelman

2,194 posts

195 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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dwilkie said:
To be fair, there's been plenty of times I haven't heard a petrol car coming, as some of them are very very quiet these days.

Of course I avoided getting run over. Because I looked before I crossed the road. Maybe we should come up with some sort of "code" for crossing the road. Perhaps name it something like the Green Code, since the green man on the traffic lights means go. Or howabout the Green Cross Code - since it helps you work out when it's safe to cross?

While we're at it, we could come up with another code for the use of the highway - we could call it something like the, I don't know, Road Code?

scratchchin

Honestly, people these days!
Also some kind of proficiency for cycling could be thought up.

Clem64

110 posts

210 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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Hmm how about pedestrians NOT walking in the road except on designated crossing areas.

I bought a red car so the blood wouldn't show.

dwilkie

Original Poster:

2,222 posts

208 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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thewheelman said:
Also some kind of proficiency for cycling could be thought up.
While we're on a roll, we could even come up with some kind of scheme dedicated the craft of driving, we could call it Craft Road!

sospan

2,755 posts

244 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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Remember steam trains?
I can remember as a small child being warned about being very careful crossing some reil tracks near outr holiday chalet when steam was being phased out and diesels introduced.
My dad told me to look several times as the new trains were quiet and couldnt be heard like the old steam chuffers.
Next time you are near a railtrack listen to the sound that modwern diesels make...certainly MUCH quieter than the eco unfriendly steam trains!!!
Similar thing is happening now with the "silent" vehicles on the road.

On a second note.... if these hybrids incur a higher risk of accident then will the insurance premiums be hiked up on them to reflect the higher risk?

No doubt the "green-mongers" who are pushing the eco arguments will have taken thses factors into account? ( excuse me while i choke/laugh).

All too often a limited argument is put forward that attempts to push a feeling of guilt on people to get them to comply. Eco- friendlyness has a lot of hidden costs that we are being taxed for and these stealth taxes will only increase.
Hmmmm... career change being contemplated here. Jump on the green bandwagon and get money for frightening people.



kevin ritson

3,423 posts

249 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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dwilkie said:
To be fair, there's been plenty of times I haven't heard a petrol car coming, as some of them are very very quiet these days.
Indeed, although most modern cars have ridiculously wide tyres and the aerodynamics of a brick so the wind and tyre roar makes up for it. Horrible noise but it'll still be there with electric cars. In fact the only engines you can hear these days are diesels.

LMP

116 posts

229 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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Does the report state how the excessive body hair and odour of an eco-greenie affects their city driving ability?

Could skew the results.

KMT

70 posts

204 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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Got it - we simply keep the combustion engine running when the electric motor kicks in... er, I feel there may well be a flaw to that cunning plan, but I just can't spot it.

drewcole81

342 posts

228 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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Or...

Just open your eyes and take the iPod out when your crossing the road...

Simples.

Mark Wibble

211 posts

246 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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This kind of thing gets my goat- a report which will imply a product is dangerous, when it's the behaviour of the pedestrian/cyclist and/or driver that's the problem.

For me it's the same kind of think-tanks that come up with painting lanes on roundabouts because, apparently, we don't know how to use them any more; and unnecessary bus lanes where there wasn't any congestion until they put bus-lanes in and halved the amount of road open to 99% of the traffic!

I need to spend 5 minutes in the Angry Room now...

G0ldfysh

3,317 posts

279 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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Why is a Hybrid Electric Vehicle abbreviated to HEV when the Internal Combustion Vehicle becomes ICE?

spoonoff

361 posts

220 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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dougc said:
1960Zody said:
Bring back Tufty, The Road Safety Squirrel
Sorry - Tufty got hit by a G-Wizz in London earlier this year.

RIP little fella...

Are you refering to the squirrel or the car..?

TheOrangePeril

799 posts

202 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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I think people should be denied medical treatment if they fail to look before crossing the road, and have their insurance voided if they don't signal before manoeuvring. Maybe that would reduce a few accidents...

Although, on the denying medical treatment issue, this should really exclude the blind...