Toyota recall to affect UK cars.
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Toyota is to recall UK-based cars that might be affected by a faulty accelerator pedal.
The move follows a mass-model ‘sticky accelerator’ recall in North America last week, involving an estimated 3.39 million cars plus the suspended production of eight Toyota models.
In a statement released today (28 January) Toyota UK has confirmed there is 'a possibility that certain accelerator pedal mechanisms may, in rare instances, mechanically stick in a partially depressed position or return slowly to the idle position. The driver may notice that the accelerator pedal is progressively harder to depress or is slower to return. A rough or chattered feeling may also be experienced when depressing/releasing the accelerator pedal.'
A spokesman for Toyota Great Britain also said: 'UK cars will be affected. We do not yet know which vehicles will be involved, or numbers, but we are investigating how many European vehicles share the same parts as those involved in the US recall.'
UK customer advice line
Toyota insists that problems are rare and says it will contact owners of affected cars. However, worried customers are advised to contact Toyota's Customer Relations on 0800 138 8744.
http://www.which.co.uk/news/2010/01/toyota-sticky-...
http://blog.toyota.co.uk/
us link: http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/28/autos/toyota_recal...
The move follows a mass-model ‘sticky accelerator’ recall in North America last week, involving an estimated 3.39 million cars plus the suspended production of eight Toyota models.
In a statement released today (28 January) Toyota UK has confirmed there is 'a possibility that certain accelerator pedal mechanisms may, in rare instances, mechanically stick in a partially depressed position or return slowly to the idle position. The driver may notice that the accelerator pedal is progressively harder to depress or is slower to return. A rough or chattered feeling may also be experienced when depressing/releasing the accelerator pedal.'
A spokesman for Toyota Great Britain also said: 'UK cars will be affected. We do not yet know which vehicles will be involved, or numbers, but we are investigating how many European vehicles share the same parts as those involved in the US recall.'
UK customer advice line
Toyota insists that problems are rare and says it will contact owners of affected cars. However, worried customers are advised to contact Toyota's Customer Relations on 0800 138 8744.
http://www.which.co.uk/news/2010/01/toyota-sticky-...
http://blog.toyota.co.uk/
us link: http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/28/autos/toyota_recal...
This is, of course, a far from funny problem - it must be the most unprecedented recall ever?
In fact, it could be disastrous for Toyota.
No tears here - I hate the Prius.
The US throttle may stick wide open! ...Nasty.
US in this case means 'no good'
and also 'made in US' - that's globalisation for you, Jap car with American throttle parts.
Back to the funny, well, sort of ironic, really.
But now we know why the...
'Car in front is a Toyota'.
Throttle is stuck open!
I will be making sure the Toyotas I see on the road are in front of me, and not behind!!!
In fact, it could be disastrous for Toyota.
No tears here - I hate the Prius.
The US throttle may stick wide open! ...Nasty.
US in this case means 'no good'
and also 'made in US' - that's globalisation for you, Jap car with American throttle parts.
Back to the funny, well, sort of ironic, really.
But now we know why the...
'Car in front is a Toyota'.
Throttle is stuck open!
I will be making sure the Toyotas I see on the road are in front of me, and not behind!!!
Having been involved with Japanese vehicle supply chains the difference is usually down to the fact that the development is done in Japan, including limited quantity builds if the vehicle is then built outside Japan they look to source parts more locally, given most Japanese vehicle manufacturers run serious JIT or similar and huge volumes shipping from Japan becomes impossible. Add in the fact that Cost and Sourcing will push down the price of every component, hell they will push down the price of everything the company buys if they can get away with it, quotes for a job for Honda was down to 0.001 of a penny, means that just because it was the part fitted to JDM cars it won't automatically be on cars for the rest of the world.
Yes there is more. I spent ten years doing embedded computer control systems for industrial machinery. When you put a computer in charge it's much more likely to do something weird. the joystick did not actuate hydrulic valves, it only seemed that way. What actually happened was the computer watched the joysticks and decided what valves to operate. The computer would also respond to magnetic switches on the machine itself.
When you press the accellerator peddle you hope the computer is paying attention. When you take your foot off the peddle you really hope the computer is watching. When you press the brake peddle the computer will ignore this if it assumes you are still pressing the accellerator. If you press the big red button to stop the engine the computer will ignore this because you are obviously still moving.
Read more: http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/worldnews/artic...
This chap has some very good points on the above article ,in fact very very serious points.
When you press the accellerator peddle you hope the computer is paying attention. When you take your foot off the peddle you really hope the computer is watching. When you press the brake peddle the computer will ignore this if it assumes you are still pressing the accellerator. If you press the big red button to stop the engine the computer will ignore this because you are obviously still moving.
Read more: http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/worldnews/artic...
This chap has some very good points on the above article ,in fact very very serious points.
Edited by fflyingdog on Wednesday 3rd February 22:30
Mr E Driver said:
On News at Ten tonight they play a 911 call from a Lexus driver who is saying his car is reaching an intersection at 120 and he is going to crash
I would have thought he would turn the ignition off, that can't be stuck on as well?
Indeed..... clearly Toyota/Lexus ownership means you have to have removed the brain function before buying.... and he was an ex-Highway Patrol officer allegedly.I would have thought he would turn the ignition off, that can't be stuck on as well?
Sad though to know that the call ended you heard end suddenley was because he and his passengers died at that point...grim.
I've had an old traditional cable throttle stick open many a time back in the 'old days'.....and yes, mild consternation was followed by a second later switching off the ignition and coasting into the side of the road.
The trouble is today, it seems, in an ever increasing nanny world, less and less people have even the basic knowledge of such simple actions as this.
aeropilot said:
Mr E Driver said:
On News at Ten tonight they play a 911 call from a Lexus driver who is saying his car is reaching an intersection at 120 and he is going to crash
I would have thought he would turn the ignition off, that can't be stuck on as well?
Indeed..... clearly Toyota/Lexus ownership means you have to have removed the brain function before buying.... and he was an ex-Highway Patrol officer allegedly.I would have thought he would turn the ignition off, that can't be stuck on as well?
Sad though to know that the call ended you heard end suddenley was because he and his passengers died at that point...grim.
I've had an old traditional cable throttle stick open many a time back in the 'old days'.....and yes, mild consternation was followed by a second later switching off the ignition and coasting into the side of the road.
The trouble is today, it seems, in an ever increasing nanny world, less and less people have even the basic knowledge of such simple actions as this.
Mr E Driver said:
On News at Ten tonight they play a 911 call from a Lexus driver who is saying his car is reaching an intersection at 120 and he is going to crash
I would have thought he would turn the ignition off, that can't be stuck on as well?
was watching that, I would have thought he would turn the ignition off, that can't be stuck on as well?
quite horrific...
That tv clip will really freak out most toyota owners.
But why not switch it off?
Have had the same thing happen back in the day (eg old mini's the throttle being stuck flat to the floor when overtaking and then having to switch ignition off - happended a couple of times, nasty).
You are of course assuming you can turn the ignition off,or possibly knocking out of gear (unless its an electronicly inhibited automatic).Imagine electric throttle no direct link with engine,cruise control is on,cant get out of gear and brakes will not overcome engine fighting them ,you are at this point along for the ride.
neiljohnson said:
aeropilot said:
Mr E Driver said:
On News at Ten tonight they play a 911 call from a Lexus driver who is saying his car is reaching an intersection at 120 and he is going to crash
I would have thought he would turn the ignition off, that can't be stuck on as well?
Indeed..... clearly Toyota/Lexus ownership means you have to have removed the brain function before buying.... and he was an ex-Highway Patrol officer allegedly.I would have thought he would turn the ignition off, that can't be stuck on as well?
Sad though to know that the call ended you heard end suddenley was because he and his passengers died at that point...grim.
I've had an old traditional cable throttle stick open many a time back in the 'old days'.....and yes, mild consternation was followed by a second later switching off the ignition and coasting into the side of the road.
The trouble is today, it seems, in an ever increasing nanny world, less and less people have even the basic knowledge of such simple actions as this.
Rollcage said:
neiljohnson said:
aeropilot said:
Mr E Driver said:
On News at Ten tonight they play a 911 call from a Lexus driver who is saying his car is reaching an intersection at 120 and he is going to crash
I would have thought he would turn the ignition off, that can't be stuck on as well?
Indeed..... clearly Toyota/Lexus ownership means you have to have removed the brain function before buying.... and he was an ex-Highway Patrol officer allegedly.I would have thought he would turn the ignition off, that can't be stuck on as well?
Sad though to know that the call ended you heard end suddenley was because he and his passengers died at that point...grim.
I've had an old traditional cable throttle stick open many a time back in the 'old days'.....and yes, mild consternation was followed by a second later switching off the ignition and coasting into the side of the road.
The trouble is today, it seems, in an ever increasing nanny world, less and less people have even the basic knowledge of such simple actions as this.
neiljohnson said:
Rollcage said:
neiljohnson said:
aeropilot said:
Mr E Driver said:
On News at Ten tonight they play a 911 call from a Lexus driver who is saying his car is reaching an intersection at 120 and he is going to crash
I would have thought he would turn the ignition off, that can't be stuck on as well?
Indeed..... clearly Toyota/Lexus ownership means you have to have removed the brain function before buying.... and he was an ex-Highway Patrol officer allegedly.I would have thought he would turn the ignition off, that can't be stuck on as well?
Sad though to know that the call ended you heard end suddenley was because he and his passengers died at that point...grim.
I've had an old traditional cable throttle stick open many a time back in the 'old days'.....and yes, mild consternation was followed by a second later switching off the ignition and coasting into the side of the road.
The trouble is today, it seems, in an ever increasing nanny world, less and less people have even the basic knowledge of such simple actions as this.
Just confirms my already seriously low opinion of the Pious piece of junk.
Must admit, I forgot about the keyless stuff these days, I just assumed that the big 'Start/Stop' buttons in these cases, would 'do what it says on the tin' and when pressed while running would err.....stop the engine....clearly not!!
Certainly on my BMW (auto) hitting the start/stop button while in drive will kill the engine. I believe you can also move it in to neutral but this could be an issue as moving too far might put you in reverse although this is probably inhibited. Will check
As a previous poster mentioned I've had cable throttles stick on both cars and bikes. Last one was a Daewoo stuck on full throttle in third, in heavey traffic. Knocked it into neutral, engine straight up to valve bounce, while I'm carefully trying to switch the engine off without engaging the steering lock and avoid a truck at the same time. Stopped at the side of the road, put the linkage back together and continued on my way with another story for the bar....
As a previous poster mentioned I've had cable throttles stick on both cars and bikes. Last one was a Daewoo stuck on full throttle in third, in heavey traffic. Knocked it into neutral, engine straight up to valve bounce, while I'm carefully trying to switch the engine off without engaging the steering lock and avoid a truck at the same time. Stopped at the side of the road, put the linkage back together and continued on my way with another story for the bar....
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