Avoid Speeding Fines And Points
Discussion
When I was caught speeding, I was advised by a friend who is a Police Officer to say that I wanted to go to court as over 75% of motorists who opt for that option are not taken to court as it would overload the court system, and it works they sent me a letter stating that there would be no further action taken.
So my advice to anyone who receives a NIP’s Notice of Intended Prosecution is to ask for the case to be heard in court and you should if my friend is correct and he was in my case be told that there will be no further action.
Good Luck
And stick it to the Police Fundraising Cameras
So my advice to anyone who receives a NIP’s Notice of Intended Prosecution is to ask for the case to be heard in court and you should if my friend is correct and he was in my case be told that there will be no further action.
Good Luck
And stick it to the Police Fundraising Cameras
It depends how fast you're going. Most will fold if it's within 10mph of the limit but it can be expensive going to Court. For a start, there's the day off you have to book to attend the trial and the costs at the end if convicted. Most maguistrates, if they think you're trying it on, will hit you straight in the wallet.
Captain Muppet said:
I find looking out for cameras works nicely as a fine and points avoiding scheme. Hell, if I can't spot a foot square yellow box or a camera van parked up then I deserve a fine for poor observation.
Yes that sounds logical, however, the truth is, as it often is, not "logical": the drivers with the better (i.e. accident-free) records are the ones mainly being caught, and who therefore may be considered to be less observant.
It may therefore be fairly safe to conclude that these safer drivers are concentrating more on actual hazards rather than looking for static revenue-gathering devices.
Captain Muppet said:
I find looking out for cameras works nicely as a fine and points avoiding scheme. Hell, if I can't spot a foot square yellow box or a camera van parked up then I deserve a fine for poor observation.
That would assume they've not opted out of their voluntary code of parking in a visible place that day.
Captain Muppet said:
I find looking out for cameras works nicely as a fine and points avoiding scheme. Hell, if I can't spot a foot square yellow box or a camera van parked up then I deserve a fine for poor observation.
I find that most vans are still unmarked in Essex, and they hide the camera so you can't see it unless you look back.
Smartarse comments are cool if they are funny.. which yours is. SOrt of, but the Scam Pratnerships aren't playing ball, so it ain't funny anymore.
CarZee said:
Yes that sounds logical, however, the truth is, as it often is, not "logical": the drivers with the better (i.e. accident-free) records are the ones mainly being caught
Can you cite any edividence to back that up?
Otherwise I really can't believe it.
There was a study carried out with the assistance of three police forces, including Notts (Scamera County), which showed that middle aged professionals (ie those with the best insurance rating) received by far the most speeding tickets, whilst teenage males (the most dangerous drivers on the road) received the fewest.
And how unobservant were all those drivers on the M4 who got done for 60 in a 70?
Or the ones done for 17, 13, 7, 3mph even in a 30?!?!?!
Captain Muppet said:
I find looking out for cameras works nicely as a fine and points avoiding scheme. Hell, if I can't spot a foot square yellow box or a camera van parked up then I deserve a fine for poor observation.
I once avoided killing (even hitting actually) a couple of kids who jumped out right in front of me.
But then again I look under vans for kiddies feet, not into the backs of them for cameras. Never mind up in the air above them.
Do you want me to change that?
bogush said:
Captain Muppet said:
I find looking out for cameras works nicely as a fine and points avoiding scheme. Hell, if I can't spot a foot square yellow box or a camera van parked up then I deserve a fine for poor observation.
I once avoided killing (even hitting actually) a couple of kids who jumped out right in front of me.
But then again I look under vans for kiddies feet, not into the backs of them for cameras. Never mind up in the air above them.
Do you want me to change that?
I look for feet under vans too, but as I don't speed passed parked cars I don't have to check for cameras.
Edited to add: When there are too many hazards to assess I slow down - don't we all? Whether it's suicidal pedestrians, patches of ice, parked cars, whatever. The camera vans are just another hazard to watch out for.
>> Edited by Captain Muppet on Sunday 7th March 02:14
agent006 said:
I find looking out for cameras works nicely as a fine and points avoiding scheme. Hell, if I can't spot a foot square yellow box or a camera van parked up then I deserve a fine for poor observation.
That would assume they've not opted out of their voluntary code of parking in a visible place that day.
It's a van - either you can see it or you can see the sign/bridge/hedge it's hiding behind. If you're not sure there isn't a camera then don't speed - and certainly don't complain about being caught.
deeen said:
my name is captain muppet
Allegedly.
>> Edited by deeen on Saturday 6th March 23:54
I'm not trying to be holier than thou but if I get caught speeding then I am responsible. I think the speed limits are often stupidly low, but I know what they are and I know the consequences of breaking them. I think the detection methods are seriously flawed, but I know what they are and can avoid detection.
I do speed, occasionally with extreme prejudice, but if I get caught I'll feel stupid because it was avoidable, not angry because they tricked me.
Captain Muppet said:
It's a van - either you can see it or you can see the sign/bridge/hedge it's hiding behind. If you're not sure there isn't a camera then don't speed - and certainly don't complain about being caught.
sorry but i'm not spending the rest of my life wondering if the hedges are watching me!
yes i accept responsibility if i am caught speeding, i just dont pretend it has anything to do with road safety
deeen said:
It's a van - either you can see it or you can see the sign/bridge/hedge it's hiding behind. If you're not sure there isn't a camera then don't speed - and certainly don't complain about being caught.
sorry but i'm not spending the rest of my life wondering if the hedges are watching me!
yes i accept responsibility if i am caught speeding, i just dont pretend it has anything to do with road safety
Who said it has anything to do with road safey? I think we all agree on that one
Captain Muppet said:
Captain Muppet said:
I find looking out for cameras works nicely as a fine and points avoiding scheme. Hell, if I can't spot a foot square yellow box or a camera van parked up then I deserve a fine for poor observation.
I once avoided killing (even hitting actually) a couple of kids who jumped out right in front of me.
But then again I look under vans for kiddies feet, not into the backs of them for cameras. Never mind up in the air above them.
Do you want me to change that?
I look for feet under vans too, but as I don't speed passed parked cars I don't have to check for cameras.
Edited to add: When there are too many hazards to assess I slow down - don't we all? Whether it's suicidal pedestrians, patches of ice, parked cars, whatever. The camera vans are just another hazard to watch out for.
>> Edited by Captain Muppet on Sunday 7th March 02:14
And where are these vans? Usually where there are no hazards!
nspasser said:
bogush said:
Captain Muppet said:
I find looking out for cameras works nicely as a fine and points avoiding scheme. Hell, if I can't spot a foot square yellow box or a camera van parked up then I deserve a fine for poor observation.
I once avoided killing (even hitting actually) a couple of kids who jumped out right in front of me.
But then again I look under vans for kiddies feet, not into the backs of them for cameras. Never mind up in the air above them.
Do you want me to change that?
I look for feet under vans too, but as I don't speed passed parked cars I don't have to check for cameras.
Edited to add: When there are too many hazards to assess I slow down - don't we all? Whether it's suicidal pedestrians, patches of ice, parked cars, whatever. The camera vans are just another hazard to watch out for.
>> Edited by Captain Muppet on Sunday 7th March 02:14
And where are these vans? Usually where there are no hazards!
That's correct and of course that's why it's mainly the safer drivers who are getting caught - all in the name of "safety". Only the government could come up with a load of spin like this (and a few foolish ones to believe it) Madness!
james_j said:
Captain Muppet said:
I find looking out for cameras works nicely as a fine and points avoiding scheme. Hell, if I can't spot a foot square yellow box or a camera van parked up then I deserve a fine for poor observation.
I once avoided killing (even hitting actually) a couple of kids who jumped out right in front of me.
But then again I look under vans for kiddies feet, not into the backs of them for cameras. Never mind up in the air above them.
Do you want me to change that?
I look for feet under vans too, but as I don't speed passed parked cars I don't have to check for cameras.
Edited to add: When there are too many hazards to assess I slow down - don't we all? Whether it's suicidal pedestrians, patches of ice, parked cars, whatever. The camera vans are just another hazard to watch out for.
>> Edited by Captain Muppet on Sunday 7th March 02:14
And where are these vans? Usually where there are no hazards!
That's correct and of course that's why it's mainly the safer drivers who are getting caught - all in the name of "safety". Only the government could come up with a load of spin like this (and a few foolish ones to believe it) Madness!
Surely it's habitual speeders who aren't very observant who are getting caught? Apply some logic please.
I'm not saying these drivers aren't safe, but I'm not saying they are either, it's random.
It's a shite state of affairs and I'm not trying to defend the governments position on speeding.
Captain Muppet said:
Surely it's habitual speeders who aren't very observant who are getting caught? Apply some logic please.
I'm not saying these drivers aren't safe, but I'm not saying they are either, it's random.
It's a shite state of affairs and I'm not trying to defend the governments position on speeding.
its not random, its deliberate! the scameras hide where it is safe to travel above the speed limit, cos that is how they best "meet their targets" (=make most money) - that is the logic applied!
To get back on topic, I recvd an NIP 41 in 30, sent it back and recvd a FP offer of 3 pts and £ 60...just ignored it, that was a year and a half ago, heard no more about it.....If it's not a silly speed *I* would play the percentages, send the NIP back but ignore the offer of the fixed penalty, it's then up to the fiscal.
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