RE: Slash Alcohol Limit To 20mgs Says Brake
Tuesday 16th March 2010
One is too many, says BrakeAccording to Brake, a survey of 800 drivers has revealed "an overwhelming cry from the British public for Government action to curb the menace of drink and drug driving."
Slash Alcohol Limit To 20mgs Says Brake
Campaigners push proposals to reduce 80mg UK drink drive limit
The charity Brake and insurers Direct Line are lining up behind proposals to reduce the blood alcohol limit for drivers from 80mg per 100ml to just 20mg.
One is too many, says Brake
Apparently the survey proves drivers are overwhelmingly in favour of a lower drink-drive limit with more than 7 out of 10 (71%) agreeing that the current limit of 80mg alcohol per 100ml blood should be cut. We can't provide any additional analysis of the results, as we haven't been given a profile for the type of drivers selected for the survey.
However, the two bodies claim that 55% of drivers (by which we think they mean 'survey respondents') support calls for a low limit of 20mg alcohol per 100ml blood or lower, while a further 16% favour a limit of 50mg - the maximum limit recommended by the European Commission.
Following a change in Ireland's laws from December 2009, Britain and Malta are the only remaining European countries with a drink-drive limit higher than the EU-recommended 50mg alcohol per 100ml blood, they say.
Discussion
viciousjello said:
cut it to zero... yes ZERO, if there are no drivers that drink, then every single one with any sort of alcohol content in their blood/breath, will get arrested... that way it will help to iradicate it altogether!
Sigh. You did know that some people naturally produce alcohol, didn't you? Surely this means that they should not be able to get a licence in the first place? viciousjello said:
cut it to zero... yes ZERO, if there are no drivers that drink, then every single one with any sort of alcohol content in their blood/breath, will get arrested... that way it will help to iradicate it altogether!
It can't be zero - most mouthwash and cough/cold/flu medicine all have alcohol in them. Also what if you had two pints the night the before at home - there would be a trace of alcohol in the morning even tho your fine to drive..IMO the limit is only a little too high, so should be half what it is now.
randlemarcus said:
viciousjello said:
cut it to zero... yes ZERO, if there are no drivers that drink, then every single one with any sort of alcohol content in their blood/breath, will get arrested... that way it will help to iradicate it altogether!
Sigh. You did know that some people naturally produce alcohol, didn't you? Surely this means that they should not be able to get a licence in the first place? randlemarcus said:
viciousjello said:
cut it to zero... yes ZERO, if there are no drivers that drink, then every single one with any sort of alcohol content in their blood/breath, will get arrested... that way it will help to iradicate it altogether!
Sigh. You did know that some people naturally produce alcohol, didn't you? Surely this means that they should not be able to get a licence in the first place? viciousjello said:
cut it to zero... yes ZERO, if there are no drivers that drink, then every single one with any sort of alcohol content in their blood/breath, will get arrested... that way it will help to iradicate it altogether!
What a pathetically ill informed post. Brake PR, by any chance?This proposal will only be supported by the insurance companies so they can up premiums when motorists get dinged for trivial amounts of blood alcohol, just as they favour the current speed camera policy.
JB! said:
i'm going to say raise it ever so slightly, but have it alongside competancy tests. reaction times, hand/eye co-ordination measured when stopped for being "drunk" then measured again when medically sober, if the difference is too great, down you go.
How about JUST competency tests? Including a "how well can you drive a car?" test. That would get rid of not only drunk drivers, but bad ones too.
ks to that! Slash it to somewhat more acceptable 50mgs. That'd be more like it.Again someone seems to think that making something illegal will stop it happening.
99.99% of us obey that current limits.
The minuscule number that have a blatant disregard for the laws will continue to ignore it regardless of what the randomly chosen number/limit is.
The only change will be the downside is that a perfectly capable person may be deemed over the limit and therefore banned for 12 months.
99.99% of us obey that current limits.
The minuscule number that have a blatant disregard for the laws will continue to ignore it regardless of what the randomly chosen number/limit is.
The only change will be the downside is that a perfectly capable person may be deemed over the limit and therefore banned for 12 months.
Edited by odyssey2200 on Tuesday 16th March 14:22
odyssey2200 said:
The only change will be the downside is that a perfectly capable person may be deemed over the limit and therefore banned for 12 months.
Every year or so there is a call to reduce the limitto 50 mg.
It never happens. Suggesting a 20 mg limit is ludicrous.
Country pubs are already shutting at a high rate.
An even higher rate would not be welcome.
I fail to see how banning folks with between new limit
20 mg and old limit 80 mg helps.
Added to that, in Europe, minor transgressions of the
lower limits are punished with mere fines.
Are Brake proposing banning someone for 12 months for 20 mg ?
Why can't they just leave it alone?
At least at the moment you can have a beer or glass of wine after work and know that you are o.k to drive home.
This combined with the proposal for nationwide average speed cameras is yet another reason to leave the country.
They won't be happy until they have taken every last bit of freedom and pleasure and everyone is just a good little tax paying worker.
Go to work
Pay Tax
Go Home
Repeat ad infinitum
At least at the moment you can have a beer or glass of wine after work and know that you are o.k to drive home.
This combined with the proposal for nationwide average speed cameras is yet another reason to leave the country.
They won't be happy until they have taken every last bit of freedom and pleasure and everyone is just a good little tax paying worker.
Go to work
Pay Tax
Go Home
Repeat ad infinitum
Bizzle said:
What's 20mg's in terms of units (roughly)
Effectively zero "on the night" - it's less than a half pint of regular beer.Or put another way - a reasonable night out (but far from extreme, still more than capable of walking hime safely) would have a lot of people (especially girls) illegal the next morning.
The people who are drink driving don't stop at one or two pints anyway so lowering the limit will have little effect.
Personally I don't drink and drive, but I do believe that consideration should be given to the morning after factor. For example how much alcohol would you have in your bloodstream at 8.am if you finished drinking 4 pints at midnight? I'm aware it would vary but even a guidline figure.
At least then they could say if you drink x pints on a night out and are driving again at 8.am you will be over the limit. It would at least encourage people to think about their consumption. If you drink 10 pints on a night out and are driving at 7.am I'd imagine you are over the limit and deserve to be caught. People need to take proper resposibility FOR ALL THEIR ACTIONS when using the roads.
Personally I don't drink and drive, but I do believe that consideration should be given to the morning after factor. For example how much alcohol would you have in your bloodstream at 8.am if you finished drinking 4 pints at midnight? I'm aware it would vary but even a guidline figure.
At least then they could say if you drink x pints on a night out and are driving again at 8.am you will be over the limit. It would at least encourage people to think about their consumption. If you drink 10 pints on a night out and are driving at 7.am I'd imagine you are over the limit and deserve to be caught. People need to take proper resposibility FOR ALL THEIR ACTIONS when using the roads.
viciousjello said:
cut it to zero... yes ZERO, if there are no drivers that drink, then every single one with any sort of alcohol content in their blood/breath, will get arrested... that way it will help to iradicate it altogether!
You can't have zero of anything, yes there are some countries with a zero limit but those countries are just stupid.Sweden has a limit of 20mg and you still get blind drunks out and about, you still get East European truck drivers coming off the overnight ferry with so much alcohol in their blood that technically they should be dead. Though fewer these days since random testing on the ferry exit ramps imposed some years back.
As others have said all it will do is criminalise some people who were never a problem in the first place, whilst the problem children will just carry on as normal. So would fit in with most of other New Labour legislatory muppetry then.
Only random 100% testing will do anything about this, and speaking as someone subject to random drug and alcohol testing in connection with the job with a max 20 minutes notice of a test requirement / sample to be provided, personally I have no problem with random testing eg points at tactics in Oz.
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