RE: Hidden ANPR Cameras For Hertfordshire Town
RE: Hidden ANPR Cameras For Hertfordshire Town
Wednesday 30th March 2011

Hidden ANPR Cameras For Hertfordshire Town

Royston to be turned into 'ring of steel' with cameras watching all routes in and out


Not a hidden camera, not near Royston
Not a hidden camera, not near Royston
Royston in Hertfordshire will become the first place in the UK with hidden cameras monitoring all routes in and out, creating a 'ring of steel'.

Hidden Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) cameras will be installed by the end of April, recording the details of every vehicle entering and leaving the town. The cameras will store the registration details of anyone who drives through the town on a database in London for up to five years.

The scheme is being trumpeted by its creators as a way to make Royston the safest town in Hertfordshire and will be used to help track the movements of known criminals.

The police, North Hertfordshire District Council (NHDC) and regeneration company Royston First are keen to reassure that the ANPRs won't be used to keep tabs on the general public, but there are inevitable concerns about personal privacy and the amount of data being stored.

The scheme's creators may have the public's best intentions at heart, and those who have nothing to hide should have nothing to fear, as they say. But talk of 'rings of steel' does sound alarmingly Draconian. And hidden cameras do seem to smack of underhand motives.

PH editor Chris-R certainly thinks so - but then he does have a bit of an anti-Big Brother thing. His worries are echoed by spokes man for pressure group No CCTV, Charles Farrier. "It is a hugely worrying development," he told the Royston Weekly News. "It has been developed with no public scrutiny and government legislation. This is the biggest surveillance network that the British public have never heard of."

So what do you think? Is it nothing to worry about if you've got nothing to hide? Or is it only a matter of time before we're all talking in Newspeak and drinking Victory gin?

Image: Rob Purvis

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louismchuge

Original Poster:

1,644 posts

205 months

Tuesday 29th March 2011
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But Royston is a local town, for local people

Nobody will ever pass the cameras...

We didn't burn him!!!

BigHeartedTone

1,305 posts

238 months

Tuesday 29th March 2011
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This is wrong.

dele

1,270 posts

215 months

Tuesday 29th March 2011
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Sorry to be Anal, but just down the road in Stevenage we've had all our main roads monitored for years, i think theres only one or two country lanes that provide the unmonitored access for more questionable vehicles


dele

1,270 posts

215 months

Tuesday 29th March 2011
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BigHeartedTone said:
This is wrong.
Dont be so stupid

If your car gets stolen and its picked up in Royston because of this ANPR system, you'll soon sing its praises

What if one of your children gets kidnapped and the suspects car is picked up on this ANPR system?

Its not going to be watching you through your living room window

As mentioned above, we've had this system on the main Motorway junctions for Stevenage for years and im still waiting for my letter in the post from Stevenage Police informing me my tax disc is slightly wonky rolleyes

Article said:
The police, North Hertfordshire District Council (NHDC) and regeneration company Royston First are keen to reassure that the ANPRs won't be used to keep tabs on the general public, but there are inevitable concerns about personal privacy and the amount of data being stored.
Like what?

Its going to store information on what colour shirt you were wearing, what you ate for dinner, what grot mag you buy from the shops?

The most it will store is what time you left Royston and what car you were in when you had the pleasure of escaping it

Edited by dele on Tuesday 29th March 17:40

B19GRR

1,980 posts

277 months

Tuesday 29th March 2011
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Not SPECs though? So just innocently monitoring all us little sheep rather than billing us for our pleasure? Time for a Bond like spinning number plate!

JonnyFive

29,738 posts

210 months

Tuesday 29th March 2011
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Why is this a bad idea?

I like it, I've nothing to hide from the Police so I'm fine driving in ANPR areas.

fluffnik

20,156 posts

248 months

Tuesday 29th March 2011
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I hope they all burn.

We should not tolerate state surveillance no matter what superficial "benefits" are touted. This is exactly the sort of state spending that needs cut entirely.

dele

1,270 posts

215 months

Tuesday 29th March 2011
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fluffnik said:
I hope they all burn.

We should not tolerate state surveillance no matter what superficial "benefits" are touted. This is exactly the sort of state spending that needs cut entirely.
Do you even know what an ANPR Camera does? rolleyes

Stew2000

2,776 posts

199 months

Tuesday 29th March 2011
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I have no objections to ANPR. only average speed cameras.
ANPR actually serve a useful purpose.

goron59

397 posts

192 months

Tuesday 29th March 2011
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My only concern is with the security of the information stored.


Ed W

4 posts

178 months

Tuesday 29th March 2011
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I am currently an Undergraduate at the University of Newcastle,
writing my dissertation on the British security policy. In the course
of my research I have been exploring something called Project
Champion, a scheme in birmingham to monitor particular communities
through the implementation of similar technologies to the ones you are
due to employ in Royston, the 'Ring of Steel' as it were.

I am not an activist or on a mission to wind back the state, I am
simply a concerned citizen, having uncovered many frightening breaches
of our civil liberties in the course of my research. I am convinced It
is a fundamental breach of a citizens civil and human rights to
monitored covertly without the suspicion of committing a crime. These
proposal must be resisted at all costs. The counter-argument of
nothing to hide, nothing to fear is irrelevant for a number of
reasons:

Firstly, it ignores the fundamental liberal principle of liberty over
authority, in the sense that someone should only have their movements
monitored, and therefore controlled, if they are explicitly a threat.

Secondly, If an entire community the looming spectre of the
Panopticon, as elucidated by Michel Foucault, rears it's ugly head
once more, if one is being monitored, regardless of intentions, one
will negatively alter their behaviour. If for example you are working,
would you work more effectively with your boss watching your every
action, I would suggest not. Once again the parameters being set at
tracking 'known criminals' does not hold true. We often see the best
laid plans, sometimes with entirely good intentions, being exploited
over time for other purposes.

Along with Project Champion, the State is setting a dangerous
precedent and moving the goal posts in a dangerous and irreversible
manner. I am concerned, and I dare say frightened, by the new
architecture of surveillance monitoring the liberal internal space we
used to hold so dear. Sometimes it is a depressing and frightening
country to be a citizen in. I was always proud of my national
identity, not in some simplistic, jingoistic way, but because I
appreciated the long held liberal values of the state. For gods sake
don't make the mistake of removing what it is to be a British citizen.

wrightyrs

446 posts

240 months

Tuesday 29th March 2011
quotequote all
fluffnik said:
We should not tolerate state surveillance no matter what superficial "benefits" are touted.
Agree 100%

Road Rally

17 posts

200 months

Tuesday 29th March 2011
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Sounds like a great idea, if you have nothing to hide and all that.

Plus if they would use it to help catch some ****wits without insurance all the better.

Why should I hand over thousands of my hard earned and then have someone who thinks he's above the law crash into me and leave me to pick up the pieces(everyone needs a little rant now and again).















wrightyrs

446 posts

240 months

Tuesday 29th March 2011
quotequote all
Ed W said:
I am currently an Undergraduate at the University of Newcastle,
writing my dissertation on the British security policy. In the course
of my research I have been exploring something called Project
Champion, a scheme in birmingham to monitor particular communities
through the implementation of similar technologies to the ones you are
due to employ in Royston, the 'Ring of Steel' as it were.

I am not an activist or on a mission to wind back the state, I am
simply a concerned citizen, having uncovered many frightening breaches
of our civil liberties in the course of my research. I am convinced It
is a fundamental breach of a citizens civil and human rights to
monitored covertly without the suspicion of committing a crime. These
proposal must be resisted at all costs. The counter-argument of
nothing to hide, nothing to fear is irrelevant for a number of
reasons:

Firstly, it ignores the fundamental liberal principle of liberty over
authority, in the sense that someone should only have their movements
monitored, and therefore controlled, if they are explicitly a threat.

Secondly, If an entire community the looming spectre of the
Panopticon, as elucidated by Michel Foucault, rears it's ugly head
once more, if one is being monitored, regardless of intentions, one
will negatively alter their behaviour. If for example you are working,
would you work more effectively with your boss watching your every
action, I would suggest not. Once again the parameters being set at
tracking 'known criminals' does not hold true. We often see the best
laid plans, sometimes with entirely good intentions, being exploited
over time for other purposes.

Along with Project Champion, the State is setting a dangerous
precedent and moving the goal posts in a dangerous and irreversible
manner. I am concerned, and I dare say frightened, by the new
architecture of surveillance monitoring the liberal internal space we
used to hold so dear. Sometimes it is a depressing and frightening
country to be a citizen in. I was always proud of my national
identity, not in some simplistic, jingoistic way, but because I
appreciated the long held liberal values of the state. For gods sake
don't make the mistake of removing what it is to be a British citizen.
And again agree 100%

dublet

283 posts

232 months

Tuesday 29th March 2011
quotequote all
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

clabcon

325 posts

226 months

Tuesday 29th March 2011
quotequote all
wrightyrs said:
And again agree 100%
+2

Police State

4,291 posts

241 months

Tuesday 29th March 2011
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dele said:
Like what?

Its going to store information on what colour shirt you were wearing, what you ate for dinner, what grot mag you buy from the shops?

The most it will store is what time you left Royston and what car you were in when you had the pleasure of escaping it

Edited by dele on Tuesday 29th March 17:40
just wait till they privatise me...


2mad

180 posts

200 months

Tuesday 29th March 2011
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You are being spied on Every Where you go on the roads with specs & spikes welcome to Communist Britain .

14-7

6,233 posts

212 months

Tuesday 29th March 2011
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When it says 'all routes' surely they mean only the main roads rather than every country lane as well?

If so there are numerous places that already do so.

Nearly every main route in and out of Lancashire has ANPR cameras on it.

louismchuge

Original Poster:

1,644 posts

205 months

Tuesday 29th March 2011
quotequote all
14-7 said:
When it says 'all routes' surely they mean only the main roads rather than every country lane as well?

If so there are numerous places that already do so.

Nearly every main route in and out of Lancashire has ANPR cameras on it.
pretty sure Nottingham too