Isn't that the Cerbie that was for sale.....
Discussion
....about a year ago ?
www.pistonheads.com/sales/detail.asp?i=11628&s=6
He wrote a whole load of stuff about time wasters I seem to remember and wandered why it wouldn't sell. Well I found this...
www.pistonheads.com/sales/detail.asp?i=18273&s=6
So lets see here.
A Blue 4.2 1997 55k for £18950
or
A Blue 4.2 1997 26K for £16500
Its a toughy isn't it ?
Hang on,
A Yellow 4.2 1998 13k for £17550
www.pistonheads.com/sales/detail.asp?i=11628&s=6
He wrote a whole load of stuff about time wasters I seem to remember and wandered why it wouldn't sell. Well I found this...
www.pistonheads.com/sales/detail.asp?i=18273&s=6
So lets see here.
A Blue 4.2 1997 55k for £18950
or
A Blue 4.2 1997 26K for £16500
Its a toughy isn't it ?
Hang on,
A Yellow 4.2 1998 13k for £17550
fair enough guys, but the Guernsey 55K car has a NEW ENGINE, plus a complete new clutch assembly and various other bits that amount to a lot of expenditure (and a lot of potential savings for the next owner)
Having bought my '99 4.5 last year with 25K on the clock, and having spent upwards of £3500 on a new clutch (at 28K), rebuilt gearbox and new catalytic converters (at 29K) in the last year, I'd think that spending a couple of extra grand to get a car with an almost brand new engine and clutch sounds like good sense.
Condition dictates Cerby prices, not mileage IMHO
cheers
sean
Having bought my '99 4.5 last year with 25K on the clock, and having spent upwards of £3500 on a new clutch (at 28K), rebuilt gearbox and new catalytic converters (at 29K) in the last year, I'd think that spending a couple of extra grand to get a car with an almost brand new engine and clutch sounds like good sense.
Condition dictates Cerby prices, not mileage IMHO
cheers
sean
morgala said:
they're all so cheap, god knows what my chim would fetch...10000...ouch nasty, it's not worth thinking about.
oh I dunno. Cerbies are cheap cos the running costs scare people and for some reason the AJP engine also seems to concern people for unknown reasons. People trust the V8's so prices have remained fairly firm. Early chims are around £10k, although even still those around the very bottom end seem to be around that mark for one reason or another. I still think a mint early chim (or later with a higher miles) is worth around £12k.
although a dealer would offer you £2.75.
beemer said:
fair enough guys, but the Guernsey 55K car has a NEW ENGINE, plus a complete new clutch assembly and various other bits that amount to a lot of expenditure (and a lot of potential savings for the next owner)
Having bought my '99 4.5 last year with 25K on the clock, and having spent upwards of £3500 on a new clutch (at 28K), rebuilt gearbox and new catalytic converters (at 29K) in the last year, I'd think that spending a couple of extra grand to get a car with an almost brand new engine and clutch sounds like good sense.
Condition dictates Cerby prices, not mileage IMHO
cheers
sean
Spot on beemer, condition DOES dictate prices (though I would say that would'nt I, as my car is the one in question).
Having gone through the same sort of grief as beemer, if I was looking for a cerb I would be wanting to minimise the possibility of any additional major outlay (& as far as cerbs go, this outlay is centered on the engine & clutch). You do not want to go through the expense or delay while the factory try to scrabble the required parts together, belive me.
It seems funny to me that the crashed/ burned /blown/enginless cerbs in the low to mid double figures attract lots of interest as we all love a bargain. Sadly bargain cerbs don't exist.
Maybe i should remove the engine & wheels etc & sell as a rolling chassis/project for around 12k.
£6k for a brand new engine/ box & clutch anyone?
darreni said:
Spot on beemer, condition DOES dictate prices (though I would say that would'nt I, as my car is the one in question).
Given the condition of the car and the work stated, I'd say it was a decent buy at that price. But it'll take a discerning punter to know it's a decent buy... the potential buying market is reduced to those who know what Cerbs are like and have done their homework rather than someone new to TVRs. Hence why it'll probably take longer to sell.
Unfortunate thing is that another (hypothetical) Cerb that's identical except for a front headlight conversion and un un-rebuilt engine that's blowing oil out of the back would probably sell for the same price/quicker.
Darren, have you considered doing a sale-or-return on it with a garage? I'm guessing that having it advertised as in Guernsey isn't going to help things.
This thread seems a bit unfair to the seller and to the Cerbera market in general. Surely all your Cerb owners want to keep the prices high, not be forcing the price of the market down.
I agree with his pricing and all he says but for the last bit.
Surely they only offer the £2.75 if its got a full tank!
(if part ex-ing shop around and you may see a huge difference).
shnozz said:
they're all so cheap, god knows what my chim would fetch...10000...ouch nasty, it's not worth thinking about.
oh I dunno. Cerbies are cheap cos the running costs scare people and for some reason the AJP engine also seems to concern people for unknown reasons. People trust the V8's so prices have remained fairly firm. Early chims are around £10k, although even still those around the very bottom end seem to be around that mark for one reason or another. I still think a mint early chim (or later with a higher miles) is worth around £12k.
although a dealer would offer you £2.75.
I agree with his pricing and all he says but for the last bit.
Surely they only offer the £2.75 if its got a full tank!
(if part ex-ing shop around and you may see a huge difference).
DustyC said:
This thread seems a bit unfair to the seller and to the Cerbera market in general. Surely all your Cerb owners want to keep the prices high, not be forcing the price of the market down.
I'd be willing to bet my Cerb on the fact that the reason it hasn't sold is because it's in Guernsey. Not the biggest market for performance cars, not the best situation to buy a Cerb and get it to the UK, and not the easiest place to wander along to and have a look one sunday afternoon.
J_S_G said:
Spot on beemer, condition DOES dictate prices (though I would say that would'nt I, as my car is the one in question).
Darren, have you considered doing a sale-or-return on it with a garage? I'm guessing that having it advertised as in Guernsey isn't going to help things.
I have looked a the sale or return basis but after a very careful running in/ warm up period i'm not keen on people having a test drive & thrashing it from cold without my being there.
Its not like its a hardship for me to keep it after having all the bits & bobs done, & apart from the tanks of sul, its not costing anything either.
Pricing cars is always difficult & Roobarbs observation that different cars are priced differently is hardly a revelation (yellow is not for me regardless of price) & will depend on how desperate (or not) the seller is. I'm sure that there are some totally sorted, beautiful cars for sale at silly prices because someone needs the money. I am very fortunate that I don't, (please don't take that comment the wrong way, i'm no lottery winner!) and for the reasons mentioned above will suffer the agony, pain & depression of having to drive it everyday
16k & keep a few grand aside to cover the stuff that will need doing? or 19k & have one that has had it all done? You pays yer money ......etc & i'm not twisting anyones arm.
Darren.
spslward said:
What the bejeeesus is someone doing with a Cerb on Guernsey?? Must have spent it's poor life pootling behind the Micras at 10 mph.
And how far away is France ???
Personally, I've got a few little jobs to have sorted on my Chim and then I'm gonna be on the lookout for a Cerb myself. I'm hoping that the Guernsey car is still about, I'm not afraid of a little trip abroad to pick up the right car.
>> Edited by Li'l pugs on Thursday 24th June 15:04
spslward said:
What the bejeeesus is someone doing with a Cerb on Guernsey??
Coking up its engine I'd guess. That'll explain the rebuild.
I know its got a new engine but if its bolted onto a chassis thats done 55K miles in the lovely sea air of Guernsey thats all you've got. The reason you're not selling it is because there is no discernable reason why someone should make the effort and go to Guernsey and buy it. At least not when there are scores of similar and/or cheaper cerbies here in blighty. I'm afraid having a functioning engine doesn't add any real value to the car - unless you compare it to a car without a functioning engine of course.
Simon at Fernhurst offered me £10k trade in for my well sorted 4.0L Griff, put it on SOR at a local sports car specialist's forecourt, who over priced it (greedy b'stard!) and it sat there for 5 weeks. Got fed up with that and sold it on eBay in 7 days for £12k. The guy got a bargain & I'm regretting selling it now as I havent found a Cerb, yet, (well I have, just plucking up the courage to part with the dollars) and have been TVRless for a month, 1st time without for 10 years :-(
Sportie, havent forgotten about you.
Cheers
Nick The New Member (no, not just a 'member') LOL
Sportie, havent forgotten about you.
Cheers
Nick The New Member (no, not just a 'member') LOL
Roobarb said:
What the bejeeesus is someone doing with a Cerb on Guernsey??
Coking up its engine I'd guess. That'll explain the rebuild.
Roobarb said:
What the bejeeesus is someone doing with a Cerb on Guernsey??
Coking up its engine I'd guess. That'll explain the rebuild.
Roobarb - please don't make assumptions on the history of the car if you are'nt 100% sure of the facts.
I think you may be missing the point of the ph forum, we are here to help each other, and, as Fellow TVR owners we will ALL need that help at some point in time. I do my bit where i can & hopefully you will do yours if you can. I am unable to understand the point of the original thread & your latter comments, if you think the car is overpriced, so what? Am I forcing you to purchase it? I think not.
As for what am i doing with a cerb in Guernsey? Mostly filling it with SUL at 47 pence a litre, getting all my bits 'n bobs vat free(not part of the EU old chap) and enjoying a beautiful island with the other 30 odd tiv owners, countless ferrari's, loads of 911's (just sooo common darling) & tons of F**king nutters on superbikes (998 bipisto's are legal on "L" plates here).
Really, its a great place (tax 'n all that), lighten up lifes too short to be worring about how much i'm selling my car for & the reason why it may or may not have sold.
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