Decisions decisions and non of them nice
Decisions decisions and non of them nice
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Jabbah

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1,331 posts

183 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2011
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The engine has been inspected with an endoscope and it looks like something got sucked into the cylinder and cracked a liner. There is absolutely no compression on number 1 and coolant is flooding in but the oil is clean. There are also some bright marks on top of the piston. So question is what to do? I think I have 3 main options:

1) Get the current engine fixed. It is one that was rebuilt by Austec with all the balancing etc done. It will need a new liner and piston on num 1 and so will need balancing again, plus rod and crank checking for damage.

2) Theres a possibility of a replacement engine thats only covered ~3,500 miles. It's a 4.2 with 4.5 internals. I've got all the short induction etc so probably won't be too different to what I had. They will take the old lump in part ex too so will keep the costs down slightly.

3) LS conversion. Think this will be a quite expensive option so probably not an option at this point. How much about would this cost?

I think option 2 is going to work out the cheapest, but what do you guys think?

Edited by Jabbah on Wednesday 23 November 14:36

scotty_d

6,795 posts

223 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2011
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Either option 2 or 3

Gazzab

21,637 posts

311 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2011
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Option 1 appeals to me as it means you stay Red Rose BUT that is going to be expensive ie will it need new heads....

Gazzab

21,637 posts

311 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2011
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HardToLove

520 posts

229 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2011
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Gazzab said:
Option 1 appeals to me as it means you stay Red Rose BUT that is going to be expensive ie will it need new heads....
Is this what you are doing with yours ??

itsallyellow

3,877 posts

249 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2011
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Option one. It won't be that expensive as long as the crank is ok. Will possibly require a new head but possibly not. One of mine did a similar thing to this and is still running strong.

Mike

Jabbah

Original Poster:

1,331 posts

183 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2011
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itsallyellow said:
One of mine did a similar thing to this and is still running strong.
Do you know what caused it on yours?

itsallyellow

3,877 posts

249 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2011
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Mapping of the ecu. Caused detonation a destroyed number 3

Gazzab

21,637 posts

311 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2011
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HardToLove said:
Gazzab said:
Option 1 appeals to me as it means you stay Red Rose BUT that is going to be expensive ie will it need new heads....
Is this what you are doing with yours ??
Havent yet decided exactly what to do with mine. I should work out a plan with Raceproved soon such that we may rebuild but with additional safety built in to stop it doing it again (whatever the cause)....Normal rings etc but wired liners and copper gaskets afaik.

robsco

7,875 posts

205 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2011
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Option 1 or 2. Don't lose the heart of the Cerbera by ripping out the AJP and going Yank.

Jabbah

Original Poster:

1,331 posts

183 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2011
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The replacement engine is a 2004 4.2 thats done 3,800 miles. Is the only difference between this age 4.2 and 4.5 the CR and induction? i.e. If its just the engine replaced, I'm just a head skim away from being a 4.5 again? Cost fitted would be £3,300. Sound like a good price?

JR

14,332 posts

287 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2011
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Jabbah said:
The replacement engine is a 2004 4.2 thats done 3,800 miles. Is the only difference between this age 4.2 and 4.5 the CR and induction? i.e. If its just the engine replaced, I'm just a head skim away from being a 4.5 again? Cost fitted would be £3,300. Sound like a good price?
Yes. If you said £1,300 for the swap that's £2,000 for a rebuilt, run-in engine.

Tanguero

4,535 posts

230 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2011
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Option 4. Put in a 4.7 AJP and flog/part out the dead one.

itsallyellow

3,877 posts

249 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2011
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Perfect idea!! You will need to strip the bottom end anyway. The only extra cost would be the piston set and some machining!! There an awesome engine!

gruffalo

8,150 posts

255 months

Thursday 24th November 2011
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Tanguero said:
Option 4. Put in a 4.7 AJP and flog/part out the dead one.
Has to be this option.

Brummmie

5,284 posts

250 months

Thursday 24th November 2011
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Gazzab said:
Errrr...

You can buy mine for half that!

Craig at Dyno Torque chrges £5k plus whatever parts YOU source.

Gazzab

21,637 posts

311 months

Thursday 24th November 2011
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Brummmie said:
Errrr...

You can buy mine for half that!

Craig at Dyno Torque chrges £5k plus whatever parts YOU source.
Surely a new LS3 is £5K. So we are talking the same price?

Brummmie

5,284 posts

250 months

Thursday 24th November 2011
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Gazzab said:
Surely a new LS3 is £5K. So we are talking the same price?
You can buy an LS1 for $2-3000 if you look hard enough,

This is where my race prepped (bored and line bored by LME racing) LS3 block came from for $900.

http://www.racingjunk.com/

Theres all sorts pop up...
Just gotta keep your eye in.

Jabbah

Original Poster:

1,331 posts

183 months

Thursday 24th November 2011
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Hmmm, I've only owned the thing for a month, didn't really want to blow my slush fund straight away! RaceProved are doing a really good deal for me to inspect the engine properly, so I can decide what direction to take when I know precisely what would need to be done to the existing one. They also do a 4.8 conversion scratchchin

Oh well, lets see if I survive the round of redundancies on monday first...

Mr Cerbera

5,151 posts

259 months

Friday 25th November 2011
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I'm one of the oldest people on this forum and my advice is ....

DON'T put your engine in for a 'Let's have a look and then see what it costs'. Get an informed view of what's wrong and the costs involved in fixing it before yoy agree to anything.

Otherwise you're looking at an over-the-barrel scenario.

ALL good engineers are proud of their work and are knowledgable of the costs that are involved.

Mr. Old-Git