Starter Motor Bolts

[Steve_T]

Just a quick one for those who've done this job, is the second bolt under the big fuse or similar? I can see one but not the other so far.

Thanks,

Steve

[scotty_d]

If you can see one, the second is on the other side of the starter. Wish i was at home to take a picture for you as mine is stripped out just now. Get the heat shield off and it will let you see better it just clips over the starter solenoid.

[Steve_T]

Shield is off, just can't see the other one at the moment. I can see the nearside one, so presume that the offside one is in a similar place on the other side of the housing.

[scotty_d]

Steve_T said:

Shield is off, just can't see the other one at the moment. I can see the nearside one, so presume that the offside one is in a similar place on the other side of the housing.

[tvrgit]

I'm going to have to refurb or replace my starter, it has been reluctant to engage but packed in totally today. I can see how the motor comes off, and presumably you can disconnect the wiring once you've moved the who;e unit forwards, but I can't see how the heat shield comes off - mine seems to be loose but held on by something at the back that I can't see. Any advice?

[Steve_T]

It's held on by a clip around the solenoid which comes off easy enough. I had to remove the throttle linkage to get it out though.

[StefT]

...and watch out for all those cut ends on the cable ties in the engine bay. When I put a new gear box on the starter in my Cerb, it looked as though I'd washed my hands in a working food blender.

[tvrgit]

StefT said:

...and watch out for all those cut ends on the cable ties in the engine bay. When I put a new gear box on the starter in my Cerb, it looked as though I'd washed my hands in a working food blender.

Oh I know all about killer cable ties. I've removed and replaced the wood trims on an S-Series dash, you know! Shredded to the elbows, I was...

[scotty_d]

Ah the sharks tooth we know all about the hazards of these as ROV's are more or less made of cable ties

One of my pet hates is when people do not cut the tails flush.

[ridds]

tvrgit said:

StefT said:

...and watch out for all those cut ends on the cable ties in the engine bay. When I put a new gear box on the starter in my Cerb, it looked as though I'd washed my hands in a working food blender.

Oh I know all about killer cable ties. I've removed and replaced the wood trims on an S-Series dash, you know! Shredded to the elbows, I was...

These are your friend



NEVER leave cable ties at 2-3mm always cut them flush or leave them. Worth going round your bay and trimming up any before you start!

[Steve_T]

Bought some impact drivers and the bolts were easy to remove with the air gun. Not so the starter. Exactly how do you thread the blighter out please starter replacement veterans?

Thanks,

Steve

Edited by Steve_T on Sunday 11th March 00:01

[pmessling]

On the 4.5 it comes out pretty easy. Only need to remove the last induction hose and passenger side air box. Should lift out with ease.

Haven't done a 4.2.

I've just put an aftermarket heat shield round mine so hopefully will prolong it's life. Longer than that of the last starter that lasted a year or roughly 3k

[scotty_d]

Here Is where i stripped my 4.2 down too, I came out easy.

[tvrgit]

Finally got round to removing my starter today - it's taken ages to move the other car out of the garage to get the Cerbera in. Ended up removing the fuel rail, throttle linkage and nearside inlet manifold to get it out. Time consuming but not that difficult.

Thought you might be interested to see the reasson for the starter failure - a new one on me!



The whole starter gear / reduction gear and clutch mechanism should be fixed on to the front of the motor with 4 screws. All my screws were missing, so the whole assembly moved forward with the solenoid, so no drive to the teeth.

The flywheel has worn the front of the mounting plate away.

I have a new motor which I have fitted, but it looks like this one will be easy to clean up and repair as a spare!

[Nickccc]

I know it's not practical for you guys who's cars live outside but if you do return to a garage after driving, leave the bonnet open so as not to have the starter soaking up the heat. I'm convinced it prolongs the life of under bonnet parts.

[ukkid35]

pmessling said:

On the 4.5 it comes out pretty easy.

It will do on your late car because there's so much clearance, but on the earlier cars it's a different matter altogether, with only half an inch between the solenoid and the bulkhead.

[cerb4.5lee]

ukkid35 said:

pmessling said:

On the 4.5 it comes out pretty easy.

It will do on your late car because there's so much clearance, but on the earlier cars it's a different matter altogether, with only half an inch between the solenoid and the bulkhead.

I must admit when i first looked at the gap on mine i thought that is never getting through there, but the pistonheads massive said it will go through, so i battled with it & got the result!

Mines a 98 & didnt realise it was easier on later models, think its time to trade in then because the starters never last that long, looks as though its even more of a challenge on the 4.2 then, its a shame they a such a weak point on all the cerbs.

[Steve_T]

I have the opposite problem now. Faffed about for half an hour and couldn't get it to go came back later and tried again, starter out in 30 seconds flat. Now I can't remember how I managed it! Round two this weekend anyway.

[scotty_d]

I just re-fitted mine 10 mins ago was pretty straight forward just the wiring that is confusing me know ,can some one confirm the two + wires go on the back of the starter and one + on the back of the Alt? or vice verse ?

[ukkid35]

I'll be fitting a helper relay soon, hoping this will fix the issue.